VTEC vs. Non-VTEC debate

[a1320honda]

Ok, ive read alot on this site lately about people sayin that vtec is the wrong way to go. Ill be the first to admit....i love my turbo ls, i mean i damn near got into the 11's on a stock LS at 10psi of boost. But reading through the 400+ pages of the LS-T thread on honda-tech, the avg. power put down was around 260-270 at 10psi. And thats a good street tune with dsm 450's just about maxing out dsm's on a non-vtec is gonna be around 295. Now, you take the guys that do ls/vtec. Those guys on stock gsr cams and the same setup with 10psi of boost are making an avg. of 315-330 whp on the exact same setup, just tuned with a vtec head on the ls bottom end. It takes alot of port work on an ls head to get the flow numbers that you get from the factory with a vtec head. How many guys in the SFWD class are running a non-vtec setup.......? 0, thats how many. Why? The heads dont flow. The biggest turnoff people have about vtec is tuning it with boost. When tuned properly, a vtec head will ALWAYS yield more hp and tq. Plus depending in turbo size and trim, being able to rev higher will aid in more power being made in the top of the rpm band. Ive personaly talked with John Vega in Florida at Phearable, and talked about this very topic. Now this guy has strapped over 250 cars to the dyno and half of which were turbo'd, and hes always been able to make more power out of a good b16 than an LS. Its all tuning! Check out this thread....http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1478127

What did you see there? The cars making the most power were in fact vtec. And he highest hp "b" series was a b16. Now im not tryin to start a war, but there are newbs of this forum that do rely on what people on here say as to how they setup the cars, and all the biast information given saying that an LS will smoke a b16 just isnt true. Even the single slam guys (cough cough Meng and Yeng) rely on vtec to make more power. You rarely ever see a non-vtec single cam turbo setup anymore just cause its been hard proven that although its not vtec in intake and exhaust, it still make way more power. Also, look at what Milan has been doin with his b16.....I mean holy fuck! 121mph trap speed on a semi built b16 (mostly head work).

I just dont think its fair to tell a newb that an LS will outpower a b16 is informative. Your speaking from opinon, and not fact. And just beacuse you or your tuner isnt up to the task of being able to tune a dohc vtec doesnt mean you should bash it to someone that just plain doesnt know. Its all in the hands of the tuner. Thats my rant.....flame away

[BlackMagic]

I agree Steve.

The vtec head flows better end of story. You can spend a bunch of money and make a non-vtec head get close, but you could spend that money on the vtec head.

[KryptoSol]

Well, since non of us are even close to competing on a professional level I personally don't think it matters if its a A,B,C, or D motor with or with out vtec. Just turn up the boost! lol...

I think for a street car, 400whp is the golden number, it dosn't matter how you get there. :)

[GetawayInMoscow]

The VTEC heads just flow better, and that's all it comes down to. You can make a ton of power either way, but if you go to evans tuning and look at the dyno of non vtec LS's, you will see that the power drops off big time as they approach redline, something you don't really want in a drag car.

I read and read and read and went against what a lot of people said choosing my turbo and using my setup, but I applied what I knew from my old all motor car and what I read from the turbo guys and put this set up together. I wouldn't do a single thing differently except maybe go down just a little bit on the compression and put in some forged rods/pistons.

[NitrousFedZC]

Yeah but ifyou notice, the vtec motors, especially the highly over rated b16 doesnt have full power until almost redline. I would rather have the torque of a non v tec b 20 combined with equal horse power than have a motor that has only like 60 to 70% power until redline and shitty torque. A non vtec b20 or b18 will dust a vtec motor offthe line and with good driving win the race in the same car because the v tec motor of course has amazing top end but since the power curve of non vtec starts sooner the v tec motor has to rely on catching up in the last 50 feet for the win. And that might not happen. In my experience, v tec is a pain in the ass. If you want that extra 20 to 50 horse,just turn the boost up. A built motor is a built motor.

[NitrousFedZC]

Then again milan, your car is the fastest street b16 i have heard of so you did a really good job on your setup. I have a buddy who has a b16 with ctr internals and 10 psi in a crx and is only in thirteens. Ive just seen too many dissappointment stories to ever do a b16.

[GetawayInMoscow]

People just don't know how to drive, I'm sure if I gave Steve my car for a weekend he would come back with a 12.0 no problem.

The B16, although not having enough displacement NA to make great numbers, is a completely different engine when boosted and probably one of the best options due to price for how much power it makes.

A non VTEC motor won't dust shit off the line. Sure an LS or or B20 have a lot more torque than a B16 and a little more than a B18C1 or B18C5, but you forgot about one major thing, GEARING.

The B16/GSR tranny's are way better geared than the LS tranny, and thus make up for that difference in torque. You can throw a B16 tranny on the LS, but then the car can't rev high enough to take advantage of the lower gears and that results into too much shifting, which slows you down.

In a drag race, your last few thousand RPM is all that matters. I don't give a whoopty fuck if an LS or B20 make 1000 ft lbs at 4000 RPM because I know that the only time my car sees 4000 RPM, is for a split second when I launch, and then it's off to 9k RPM land aka me whoopin your non vtec ass :)

[NitrousFedZC]

Hey man, thats cool and all but wait ill have to set up a race for you. You can race your b16 boosted against my buddy boostedrex(aka matt) who is running a non vtec b18 with like 15 lbs. his shit is non v-tec all the way and will probably run 10's this year dude since it ran like 11.80's last year on a smaller turbo. My whole point is. Stock motor to stock motor i have seen b18's beat b16's i swear to god, i know youve seen it too and it probably pisses you off. Also a built motor is a built motor on boost or nitrous. the numbers might not match but i bet you it has something to do with torque and shorter power curves. you make a good point about how its only at 4000rpm for a spiltsecond but on the other hand you are only at 9000rpm for a split second too, and then you shift. As far as best bang for your buck. I believe in the single cam boosted or on spray. Thats what i have and ive only spen like 900 on my whole swap. it helps that my car is light as fuck but im pretty sure ill run 12.9's. Well see next week. But dude, like i said, your set up is sick as fuck, ive seen it. And you have done an amazing thing with that b16 dude. Ive give your car hella props dude.

[a1320honda]

Once again, its all tuning. You take a turbo LS and tune everything you can out of it. And then you take even just a b16 and tune it and you should be able to make nearly 25% more power out of it just for the fact its flowing far more than the non-vtec. If its torque your focused on, then a honda isnt for you. Your never ever gonna make good tq numbers on a honda. If you want to torque, go buy and SRT-4 and make 350whp and 410tq. With the higher revs that even a b16 can make your, staying in a more useable powerband for longer. The guys ive talked to who were b16 turbo on the same setup im running were making full boost over 1000rpm sooner than i am. A b16 on the same 57 trim im running are hittin a full 10-11psi at around 3200-3500. And my LS doesnt make power till just about 4300 and definatly falls off at 7500, whereas a b16 would come it at 3500 and make consistent power all the way to 8200. So with an ls you basicaly have 3000rpm of useable power, now the b16 on the other hand has a more useable 4300rpm powerband. If your Spooling over 1000rpm sooner your making more power sooner. And esp. if your have a nice AR on the turbo its gonna flow all the way to a 9000+ redline. Like i said before, i think the negativity here is just cause people around here dont know how to tune vtec with boost. Its too much of a challenge so they just run w/o vtec and cram more boost through it to try to compensate for it.

[NitrousFedZC]

Yeah, i got cha. That makes perfect sense dude. But let me ask you the same question. Why do we see all the guys with stock non v-tec 1.8's beatin the guys with stock v-tec 1.6's? And further more why can my zc beat a stock b16? And why does matt(jarods brother) blow everything out of the water? Are you saying its because the b16 is only good tuned perfectly?

[GetawayInMoscow]

Going from 11.80's to 10's is a HUGE difference. Going from 11's to 10's isn't the same as going from 14's to 13's. There are only a handful of 10 second Hondas in the western united states, I'm guessing he isn't one of them.

If i've only learned one thing about drag racing in my life it's this: there is what you think you should run, what people on the internet have run, and then what you actually run.

Another fact is that you will ALWAYS make more power with a vtec head, period, end of story. I'm just waiting for Steve to get his LS/vtec going so hopefully he can show everyone in here the difference it makes. Even if his ET's stay the same, I almost guarantee his trap speeds will increase dramatically.

Good luck to you on your quest for 12's on street tires, it's a lot harder than you think.

[NitrousFedZC]

Oh i know you can make more power dude. It just seems pointless when you dont really need it from v-tec ya know. Also i dont see the point of what the trap speed is if the ET is the same, you still got the same time right?

He is also running BF goodrich G tech tires this year. He was running the 11.80's on street tires last year. Also his car is light as fuck, also has an adjustable crossmember now to reduce weight transfer and wheel hop from last year. Im not saying for sure he will, but he definetly has the power and weight advantage to run high tens this year. If he does you will probably be there to see it, it would be really kick ass. But yeah dude, jarod has a crv-tec built motor in his 92 civic si you have probably seen at the track and he runs 12.7 all motor dude so in know the advantage of v-tec combined with large displacement. But thats a frank. motor dude .v-tec makes crazy power when you change the block combo. Anyways are you gunna go to FNSR next week? If so dude where do you usually meet up at before?

[Vrooom_WOAH]

Factory to factory VTEC heads flow better then non-vtec heads. But when you have boost and you have a set horsepower. I don't think it really matters, 250whp on vtec head is the same 250whp on a non vtec head, it's all the same to me. And if you are concern about torque, turn up the boost.

[i SOHC]

i agree with everything :P

[GetawayInMoscow]

250 whp on a cummins turbo diesel is the same as 250 whp on a b16?

[Vrooom_WOAH]

250 whp on a cummins turbo diesel is the same as 250 whp on a b16?


I thought this was about VTEC and NON VTEC heads?**I was just saying that in my opinion that 250whp on a VTEC motor and 250whp on a non-vtec motor is the same power output whether using a vtec or a non-vtec head.**Since the VTEC heads are able to flow better then the non-vtec head (with all things being factory). The VTEC motor would achieve the 250whp more efficiently then a non vtec head.**I'm not saying that this is the same for all setups, but I would believe that to achieve the same 250whp as a VTEC motor the non-vtec motors would have to run more boost to achieve the same 250whp since the head doesn't flow as well.**But in the end the 250whp is just 250whp whether using VTEC or non-vtec. To me, it doesn't really matter what head you use to achieve your desirable power level. What matters is just getting there efficiently and as unnessary extra work as possible.

[a1320honda]

Jarods car did not do a 12.7. If so i wanna see the slip. Last i heard the thing barely made 13's

[KryptoSol]

This thread is silly, just pic one and do something with it.

[a1320honda]

My intent on this was to inform newb's that a b16 isnt worthless. And that an LS is the god of honda motors. Cause them telling the guy in the other thread that the b16 was garbage and needed to put in a LS.

[KryptoSol]

I think if Jarod's brother can muster up 400-450whp in that little crx, i don't see why 10s wouldn't be attainable, but thats bench racing.

I don't recall jarod's car breaking into 12s.

[BoostedRex]

well since im the topic of this subject let me clear some stuff up for ppl the plan this year im shooting for is 15 - 20 psi from a t3/t4 on a non vtec b - series engine hopeing for around 400 hp but who knos its all in the tuning right? and yer right jareds car didnt break 12's he ran a 13.7 un tuned on street tires wit 600 treadwear but any way last season i was runnin 15 psi on a smaller turbo "t3" and raced a few ppl wit some decent times the first car was my friend jesse he had a timed 12.8 turbo single cam and i beat him by 3 bus lengths and the second race was jj and his red turbo nx wit the 20 stage boost conroller or what ever in the fuck he had it didnt matted cuz he got smoked worse and he ran an 11.9 somehow but anyway i have videos for proof if any one is a skeptic plus all thoz races i raced my car was untuned on street tires but any ways well c how it goes i plan on hopfully being out this next friday to c how it dose this year u never kno till u run........

[KryptoSol]

Forged pistons? don't be scared, go 30psi!

[GetawayInMoscow]

Okay so who ran 11.80 on street tires? I would love to see that slip.

Just because you've street raced someone who has supposedly run an X and won doesn't mean your car will run a faster time.

This thread is fucking gay, if you haven't been to the track with your set up and/or don't have a slip, STFU already. Fucking bench racers and hardparkers, typical Honda owners.

[BoostedRex]

c the thing is i aint claiming anything cuz i havent timed it yet but its an estimate from who ive already ran and beat so hey getawayin mosco or what ever.. u sound pretty cocky like u got a chance how bout me and u race for some cash next friday sound good? o yea and supposedly steve is claiming a 11.9 on street tires so ask him for the proof......... but i would try for more boost but the motor is stock i dont really wanna push it too hard it needs to last the season

[Mr. Hoy]

and the second race was jj and his red turbo nx wit the 20 stage boost conroller or what ever in the fuck he had it didnt matted cuz he got smoked worse and he ran an 11.9 somehow but anyway i have videos for proof

JJ and I have ran a few times, his car to the best of my knowledge never dipped below 12.2. I wasn't present at every single saturday race, but last I saw and heard, he was still hitting low 12's. The last time he and I raced was while I had a boost leak and was running 12.8's, he took me by about 2 car lengths max. I do believe his car was capable of 11's but even when he came out on slicks numerous times, he still was mustering mostly 12.4-12.6's occasionally hitting quicker times, but never an 11.90 that I know of or that he mentioned to me.

[GetawayInMoscow]

Steve didn't run a 11.9 on street tires, but he could have if he didn't hit the brakes because he didn't want to break out of his bracket, which he did anyway.

Fuck racing for cash, lets just race because that's what this sport is about. Next Friday? I'll be there!

Milan

[BoostedRex]

well everyone seems to think he pulled a 11 somthing but it dont matter cuz he couldnt keep up anyway

[BoostedRex]

so if steve can doit in a heavy ass car wit less boost y cant i??? but yea ill be there look for me and we'll race and if u want we can negotiate lenghts for u so u have a chance......

[Mr. Hoy]

well everyone seems to think he pulled a 11 somthing but it dont matter cuz he couldnt keep up anyway


haha yea true it doesn't matter if he wasn't hangin' right? Anyway, keep the thing in one piece and get a time, then we can all STFU:bigthumbs:

[BoostedRex]

yea thats the plan

[pgmfituner]

i cant wait to see that race.

[a1320honda]

Lets get something straight here. this thread wasnt to start a drama war with who has the faster car. It was meant to dispell the myth that Ls motors are the best thing ever created. You guys dont need to reply to a guy that is helping his buddy who is oversees fighting for our country, that hes wasted money on a b16 and its garbage and that he needs to put an ls in. IM not Calling anyone out and sayin shit about what anyone runs. Bottom line is its all driver and tuner. More power can be made on an bone stock b16 than a bone stock ls. Thats what this thread is for. I dont care if matt runs 10's good for him and i hope he does it. but the amount of boost you have to push through an LS or B20, you can make more whp with a vtec head on the same amount of boost. Simply put.....just cause its more challenging to tune a dohc vtec doesnt mean that you need to tell someone else that their motor is garbage. Their intent prolly may never be to turbo that car. And that case a b16 would smoke the fuck out of an ls. You know how many ls, type r, gsr, and h22 POS's i smoke with that b16 all motor. Alot. And Matt your not comparing apples to apples here. your challenging me and Milan and everyone to race but your on 15-20psi of boost, and built motor, and drag radials. If i had a built bottom end, 15-20 psi of boost with a gsr head....im sorry but im gonna be makin morepower than you. unless you dump $1500 into an ls head, its not gonna flow like a vtec head flows from the factory. So id appreciate it if the drama war ended here. If you have proof as to the fact that an ls can make more power than a b16, post it up.

[BoostedRex]

Lets get something straight here. this thread wasnt to start a drama war with who has the faster car. It was meant to dispell the myth that Ls motors are the best thing ever created. You guys dont need to reply to a guy that is helping his buddy who is oversees fighting for our country, that hes wasted money on a b16 and its garbage and that he needs to put an ls in. IM not Calling anyone out and sayin shit about what anyone runs. Bottom line is its all driver and tuner. More power can be made on an bone stock b16 than a bone stock ls. Thats what this thread is for. I dont care if matt runs 10's good for him and i hope he does it. but the amount of boost you have to push through an LS or B20, you can make more whp with a vtec head on the same amount of boost. Simply put.....just cause its more challenging to tune a dohc vtec doesnt mean that you need to tell someone else that their motor is garbage. Their intent prolly may never be to turbo that car. And that case a b16 would smoke the fuck out of an ls. You know how many ls, type r, gsr, and h22 POS's i smoke with that b16 all motor. Alot. And Matt your not comparing apples to apples here. your challenging me and Milan and everyone to race but your on 15-20psi of boost, and built motor, and drag radials. If i had a built bottom end, 15-20 psi of boost with a gsr head....im sorry but im gonna be makin morepower than you. unless you dump $1500 into an ls head, its not gonna flow like a vtec head flows from the factory. So id appreciate it if the drama war ended here. If you have proof as to the fact that an ls can make more power than a b16, post it up.


ok i dont kno were the fuck everyone keeps gettin i have a built motor i dont plus has anyone actually seen my motor??? didnt think so and has anyone actually seen my boost gauge hit 15-20 psi??? didnt think so so none of u have any grounds to talk shit about my shit and call me out all i do is line up the races and nock em out i have proof for every race.... and any fully built b18/20 non vtec will dust a fully built b16 in the same car same tranny weight etc. yeah the b16 will make more horse power but u would have to run almost double the boost cuz of its small ass displacement and it still wont even come close in tourqe and tourqe is what pushes u down the 1/4 mile.... plus an ls will build peak pow and tourqe way under redline because of its 89 stroke and tha b16 has horrable stroke witch wont build power till 10000 or what ever u guys r tryin to wrap yer shit out to.... and steve yer dumb ass friend attacked me first so tell that shit to him he started talkin so i challenged him whats wrong wit that?

[a1320honda]

Thats fine that he challenged you, i cant wait to watch the race. but the fact again is you shouldnt be telling a guy that doesnt know very much (no offense Sefus) that the b16 is garbage. Its a very good motor to start with. Obivously were just gonna go round and round. and your not backing up what you say with proof. The thread i posted earlier is the proof. The LS didnt get near the B16. The stock b16 made 630hp and 390tq, whereas the ls made 509hp and 350tq.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1478127

And as i said before, John Vega in Florida has dyno tuned over 250 cars. And has told me from his personal experience that hes always been able to make more power out of b16, b18c1, or b18c5 any day of the week than an LS/B20. And like i said before. How many guys in the pro-am, or SFWD class run non-vtec. None. And there is a reason for that.

[GetawayInMoscow]

I didn't challenge shit, you fuckers were the ones talking shit about how boosted cervix is going to rail my shit.

I'm just not backing down because I'll race anything. Plus I can chalk one up for the B16 guys if I win.

[BoostedRex]

ok that would be good proof if it said how much boost the b16 was pushing to get that 630 hp B16 but it dosent and im willing to bet that its around 30 psi give or take a few versus the b18 producing 509 hp w 350 tq at only 21 psi so whats gonna end up happening is displacement will come into effect and as u go higher in boost the car wit the most displacement will get more power per pound saying that they were both on the same size turbo same temp outside bla bla etc. so find out how many pounds the b16 was pushing to get thoz numbers then get back to me i guarentee the b16 is running more boost >: )

1. Randys 630whp and 390tq on 118. (10.97@131)
2. C squared motorsports 511whp GSR head/GSR tranny....(10.84@134)
3. redline130 393 whp 261 ftlbs, C16 (11.65 @ 125mph)
4. marques4130 350 whp sunoco 112 best (11.8 @ 119 @ 4200 ft)
5. 98gsrTEG 344whp@1 bar on pump gas
6. Black SI 344whp on a stock b16 @14psi
7. 99B16Si 333whp/221wtq SAE at 13psi SC61
8. integlspwr2k 330whp on a stock head stock block
9. Bryson 329whp 210tq 13psi SC61 on 91
10. G"UNIT 329whp 207tq @12psi on a sc61 on 93 octane


LS:
1. Super-hatch 509 whp 350tq at 21 psi on c16 tuned by JASON hunt
2. Rico 340whp 270tq 1.7 bar on a stock LS
3. JDMH22HATCH 340/270 15lbs stock LS
4. adseguy 328whp 269trq 16PSI on 93 octane .63/.60 57 trim (retired, yet still in good shape).
5. Mtber 326hp, 270tq 57trim 16-18psi
6. Jeff Evans tuned 320whp/290tq
7. M.A.R.C 315whp/280wtq @ 15psi on 93oct
8. efgarage 308whp 287wtq 15psi 91 oct,tuned with neptune
9. gpomp 308 whp, 255 wtq 94 octane
10. ramrod 307 whp, 247tq Crome pro

[GetawayInMoscow]

10 psi on a T25 doesn't equal 10 psi on a T70

Also lets make it more apples to apples, a GSR vs. LS, the GSR will make more power per lb of boost than the LS.

B16's make virtually identical power to the GSR's just less torque.

[BoostedRex]

10 psi on a T25 doesn't equal 10 psi on a T70

Also lets make it more apples to apples, a GSR vs. LS, the GSR will make more power per lb of boost than the LS.

B16's make virtually identical power to the GSR's just less torque.


wtf dose that mean no shit dumbass a bigger turbo makes more power per pound get steves dick outta yer mouth and focus on what yer trying to talk shit about ill see u at the races faggot and bring some money

[a1320honda]

hey, leave me the fuck out of fucking comments like that. I havent said one personal fucking thing about you matt and i sure as fuck dont appreciate that shit

[BoostedRex]

hey, leave me the fuck out of fucking comments like that. I havent said one personal fucking thing about you matt and i sure as fuck dont appreciate that shit


that wasnt aimed at u at all dude

[GetawayInMoscow]

lmao this is fun

[pgmfituner]

this is what happens when you try to post your OPINION, granted this thread goes a little beyond that but still.

[BlackMagic]

Man, one of these days Ill actually go through and read this thread...but for now I will just settle for tuning a car.

[NitrousFedZC]

I didn't challenge shit, you fuckers were the ones talking shit about how boosted cervix is going to rail my shit.

I'm just not backing down because I'll race anything. Plus I can chalk one up for the B16 guys if I win.


Hey dude, i didnt say he was gunna "rail your shit" I said you should race eachother because you have the fastest v-tec shit right now and he most def has the fastest non v-tec shit so lets see what wins. Come on man lets not get are panties in a bunch. But...theres no replacement for displacement so come friday we will find the answer to this old as time question...

[KryptoSol]

Is this similar to the East Coast vs WEstCoast rap war? 2pac vs. Biggy kind of thing?
Don't do it man! look what happened, they both ended up dead. :rofl:


I'm now officially declaring a D-series takeover, bow down.

Someone lock this thread please....

[NitrousFedZC]

Is this similar to the East Coast vs WEstCoast rap war? 2pac vs. Biggy kind of thing?
Don't do it man! look what happened, they both ended up dead. :rofl:


I'm now officially declaring a D-series takeover, bow down.

Someone lock this thread please....


I agree meng, d series for life,(zc if your a cool kid). Chea!!

[NIevo]

Man, one of these days Ill actually go through and read this thread...but for now I will just settle for tuning a car.


Pretty much fuck, fuckity, fuck fuck. Or something similar. I just wish I had Vtak.

Oh, and whoever thinks that a LS motor with the exact same mods will beat a B16 with same mods is an idiot. Sure they have more torque, but unless you suck at driving you shouldnt be low enough in the rev range to even see that. Plus the increased redline of the B16 really helps in the 1/4.

[BlackMagic]

Damn, I need to get back into town...people are running 10's and 11's on FWD Hondas with street tires and shit. Man, you guys should post some videos and shit. Maybe you could send them to Ilana and she could put that shizz on the news y0, then you all could be mad tight celebrities and shit...like Papdakis d0g. haha

Come mid June im going to smoke all you Honda bitches with my non-vtak shizz. hahahahaha

[MrVtec11]

LoL, well I cant wait till friday, and my car's slow...I dont want to race....

[a1320honda]

Damn, I need to get back into town...people are running 10's and 11's on FWD Hondas with street tires and shit.**Man, you guys should post some videos and shit.**Maybe you could send them to Ilana and she could put that shizz on the news y0, then you all could be mad tight celebrities and shit...like Papdakis d0g.**haha

Come mid June im going to smoke all you Honda bitches with my non-vtak shizz.**hahahahaha


Are you ok Reid? Did you get drugged and beat up by a ricer jdm car club, and forced to join?

[BlackMagic]

Damn, I need to get back into town...people are running 10's and 11's on FWD Hondas with street tires and shit.**Man, you guys should post some videos and shit.**Maybe you could send them to Ilana and she could put that shizz on the news y0, then you all could be mad tight celebrities and shit...like Papdakis d0g.**haha

Come mid June im going to smoke all you Honda bitches with my non-vtak shizz.**hahahahaha


Are you ok Reid? Did you get drugged and beat up by a ricer jdm car club, and forced to join?


When in Rome right?? I figure if I start talking like this kids maybe I can run 10's on street tires too.

[MrVtec11]

Well, I am on the vtec side if it matters any...probibly not but, oh well....

[BlackMagic]

There is only one letter in the alphabet that even matters...


K

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f326/wsuk20/Reid-KT1-Killer_01.jpg

[MrVtec11]

well...... i disagree, there would be no language without vowels...lol

[a1320honda]

K huh, like as in thousands. like it costs thousands to build a K lol. You know there is some poe folk out in the world. Just givin ya shit Reid

[BlackMagic]

You know there is some poe folk out in the world.


yeah I know...the K made me one of them hahaha

[Mr. Hoy]

You know there is some poe folk out in the world.


yeah I know...the K made me one of them hahaha


haha no shit, I recently looked into K swaps out of curiosity and found just the motorsets are fookin' pricey. Some were advertised for as much as my whole set up including price of my car. Its a hell of a motor though, I'm just curious as to the thoughts of the RDX Turbo Engine with Variable Flow Turbo Technology. That thing is a Torque Monster by Honda standards.

[REXRACER]

Vtec sucks. It just dosnt have the balls of an ls.

[sr240]

Vtec sucks. It just dosnt have the balls of an ls. you just have the balls for v-tec...

[yay]

i think the best letter in the alphabet is "D" because they are a perfect cup size... =D

[sr240]

i think the best letter in the alphabet is "D" because they are a perfect cup size... =D ill second that

[lostkuase]

dead thread but ill post- okay update pretty much everyone on this thread is unbelievably fast now, ls-vtec for the win right? yeng moved away :(, and there is a slew of h series building going on this winter dont ask me how that happened i dunno. maybe they saw reids build, or rexracer. The b20 high 12-low 13 second car now is at 10.35, and its from my experience in researching im betting on 2 brothers being in the 9's next year.
and gsr for the win.

final result- bigger displacement with better flowing heads are for the win! Both sides of this thread win!

its funny to read all this 2 years later.... im such a noob