b16a swap

[sefus]

Have a buddy that is doing a quick b16a swap into his 98 civic, just a sohc to dohc complete engine and tranny swap, has the ECU and TCU for the new engine, thing is, hes never done any big honda swaps before. Wish I knew what the new motor is out of but can anyone give me a heads up if this is going to be a fairly simple plug and play? Any hicups I should tell him to plan for? Thanks!
-Sefus

[Turbo]

depends on what year the motor is.... theres cable and hydro trannies... and if his civic is a 98 he'll need a hydro tranny.... he'll also need the rear T mount off an 99-00 civic SI and also the mount on the driver side that bolts up to the motor... he'll also need to wire up vtec if not an EX model... itll save him more time just to get an obd 2 swap, tho is not hard to swap an obd 1 if u know what ur doing...

[sefus]

hmmm, will check it out tonight. Thanks!

[a1320honda]

the video of my rex (http://media.vidiLife.com/video/2005/10/18/18195/101535.asx)



If you guys need any help get ahold of me or mike, weve done a shit load of swaps and can tell you alot. My number is 208-590-0505.

[sefus]

Need to stop back by his place this week to see how its going, but seriously thanks. I predict him needing a little guidence on this one.

[GetawayInMoscow]

plug and play

3 wires will need to be added....2 for VTEC and 1 for knock sensor

[sefus]

Comming back to this do you need the 90-93 integra axles? As far as I can figure, the difference is free floating or bolt to the block, same sizes though. True?

[sefus]

bump.
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[sefus]

Anybody help me follow up on this one concerning the axles? Thanks!

[97GSX]

You should be able to use the same axles from the EK

[Turbo]

only if its off a 1999-2000 honda civic SI (HX, DX, CX, EX axles wont work)... u need B series axles...

but i believe u need 94-up integra axles to work... or like i said above 99-00 SI axles will also work...

[GetawayInMoscow]

93-97 Del Sol VTEC
94-01 Acura Integra
1999-2000 Honda Civic SI

P.S. Honda parts are usually cheaper than Acura. Also if the car doesn't have ABS that will save money too. Get your axles at autozone so when you break one you get another one free :)

[sefus]

Awesome, Thanks guys!

[BoostedRex]

Yeah I CAn HElp Tell Him Not To waste his time wit a shity b16 he would be better off wit a non vtec ls or a crv b20

[KryptoSol]

why go B, just go turbo d. lol....

[GetawayInMoscow]

H2B or K....that is all :)

[BlackMagic]

Yeah I CAn HElp Tell Him Not To waste his time wit a shity b16 he would be better off wit a non vtec ls or a crv b20


uh...no.

[thursday]

120 whp ls vs. 150~ whp b16 STOCK

HMM? and a head that flows to boot

[sefus]

Alright boys, he is off and hating the humidity. Shoot me a time you have free and well see what it will take. Thanks guys

-Sefus

[pgmfituner]

the b16 is a great swap for someone who is looking for an all motor car. but if you want to boost it later then go with a ls motor. there simple to work on easy to get parts for and reliable as hell. the b16 just doesn't have the displacement for boost(my opinion of course). its got a lot more pony's but an ls will outrun it with boost any day. don't get me wrong any motor can be fast with the right stuff (look at the single slammer D's running insane #'s) but i know a lot more people running an ls boosted with good numbers (like Steve) then i do with a b16. my b16 (in a rex @ 1,920lbs) only ran 13.2 on 7psi(base map way too rich on stock fuel pump,,,damn fuel cut) but even tuned and with a walbro 255 i would only probably break a 12.5 and i know if i throw an ls in and go with like 10lbs i should break a low 12 sec easy if not high 11's . if you like Vtec then go with ls vtec and you get the bigger displacement and the vtec head flow you want. once again if you don't want boost then its a great swap. I don't know why im posting this because it sounds like you already have the swap but what the hell im tired and a little buzzed off my pain meds

[thursday]

apples to oranges,

"boosted" is a general term.

a b16 with a t25 at 7 psi is a helluva lot different than a b16 with a t3 at 7 psi.

[GetawayInMoscow]

Pound per pound, on the same turbo, the B16 will make more power than a normal LS any day. Pgmfituner I'm sorry you have been brainwashed by someone into thinking the LS is superior in some way, because it's not.

Find me an LS making over 500whp w/o a VTEC head.

[pgmfituner]

LOL first off im not brainwashed and i even posted that he should use an ls vtec setup.... iv had personal experience with it and FROM WHAT IV SEEN a STOCK B16 to a stock LS on boost (turbo) the ls has way more potential. yes technically a b16 on 10psi vrs a ls on 10ps would have more horsepower but with the displacement of a b16 you are limited. i know people have there own opinions but this one is from my experience of boosting LS. ok ill admit that you can make a b16 faster than an ls but ive seen a lot more 13psi ls's running good numbers than b16's.

[pgmfituner]

im only hating on b16's with boost. (there OK but not the best) now an LS VTEC if your a vtec fan, is the way to go. thats all im saying. plus i want to see how far i can take a non vtec built ls. then maybe put a vtec head on her. anyone else here agree with me on displacement making a difference (oh great now i sound like a muscle car guy) just curious cause i think it does. trust me i know that all the cars putting down the good numbers are using vtec heads and vtec is great i will probably end up using one myself, i was a little messed up when i typed the first post so i really didn't get my whole point across basically getting back to the original post about the b16 i was just saying get rid of the b16 for an ls block and then use a b16 head. and yes an LS VTEC would outrun a LS turbo'd with both on the same amount of boost but ive seen a lot more STOCK LS's turbo'd outrun a b16 turbo. thats all, i just think that the b16 has more limits than an ls (both stock) and thats only my opinion and i know many more that would agree with me but that dont mean that im right and your wrong.

[GetawayInMoscow]

You hate on B16's with boost because you had one and since you suck at driving or tuning or both, and didn't run a 12 with it, now the motor is at fault?

Also when it comes to making power, the head becomes the limiting factor in terms of power well before the displacement. Why do you think D series have such a hard time making big numbers? Because their heads flow like shit.

Show me and LS making more power than a B16.

If the LS heads are fine for making power show me an a single NA LS making 220+ whp. Or find me a boosted LS making 600, 700, or 800 whp, it's not going to happen.

Here is an NA B16 making 200whp:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1201433

Here is the highest HP NA LS I have ever seen at 190whp:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1877372

The LS does make more torque, but at what RPM? That's right, 5000. By redline it's down to 120 or so ft lbs. Whoop de fuck.

So yeah a completely built LS, after all the headwork and everything is still only making 190whp. With a different header he could make more power up top, but then he would lose that torque that you guys value so highly.

[pgmfituner]

fuck you dick head i make a peacfull post and you tell me im a shitty driver or tuner. go fuck yourself. I SAID that in MY OPINION i dont like b16's i never claimed that i ran a 12 and all i said is that on 10lbs i should have. what the hell is your problem. you open your mouth about an ls running faster then a b16 well i got one for you (boostedrex) you want to say somthing to me then lets meet dick head. you insult me for no reason because im making peacfull conversaition. GOD I HATE THIS FUCKING TOWN. did i ever say that an LS is the best NO I DID NOT i said that a vtec head WAS better so maybe you should actually read the post.

[pgmfituner]

you wanna race a built LS with your 12 sec car then race boostedrex my buddy he will wipe you all over the track. ANY MOTOR CAN BE FAST LIKE I SAID ITS MY OPINION THAT I DONT LIKE B16 damn people are RETARDED or they just cant read. as far as tuning and driving im good at both. do you tune cars? i have tuned plenty of cars that run great. my rex was running on a base map cause my laptop is down.

[boosteddreams]

GetawayMoscow why you being an ass hole he was just posing his opinion and he was nice about it, unlike you. I dont like b16 either so there

[GetawayInMoscow]

I will race boostedrex, and I hope he does wipe me all over the track, because from what it sounds like his car is the only one that's even fast out of your little b16 hating crew, lol.

I'm being an asshole because the B16 is still a good motor but since it's not the typical honda JDM nut swinger's motor of choice people think it sucks.

See you guys at the track...haha

[pgmfituner]

wow you are getting all pissed off becuase in my opinion i dont like b16's lol . i even stated that they can be fast but i prefer a ls vtec over it. read what i am typing. im not trying to be a asshole but its hard not to when you bash me for stating my opinion. i could find you thousands of b16 haters and lovers big deal. everyone has their preferences. the b16 in my car did 13.7 all motor i always thought that that was good. i have not tuned my turboed setup yet because i never planned on keeping it. dude just calm down your car is fast with a b16 mine would have been too if i could have tuned it. im not saying i Hate B16'S there a good motor i just prefer an ls vtec over it and i know im not the only one. whats messed up is you talking crap about my DRIVING/TUNING because you dont agree with my opinion. I DONT CARE IF YOU DONT LIKE ME. I have plenty of friends and guess what i dont agree with all of them either. were not a b16 hating crew. but when you look at boostedrex's setup you will understand why i am just going with a built ls for now. ONCE AGAIN SO WE CAN END THIS. the b16 is a good motor for those who choose it. I LIKE THE LS>you think im wrong thats fine with me. but theres no need to start talking shit over something this stupid. Did i call you bad names for loving the b16 no i was nice about it even though i dont agree. i guess im just more mature than you are. just end this shit here. both setups can produce some good numbers. im on both sides of the whole vtec debate so why you hatin on me¿ Grow up

[pgmfituner]

give me one month to finish my setup and i would love to race you, i should be pretty close to matts setup and should put down some good numbers. just grow up GetawayInMoscow your acting like you 10 years old. if everyone was like you then this whole site would be infested with flamer posts like these because its human nature to disagree with someone else. but what the hell im having fun seeing you get so pissed off over a simple opinion. LOL I know that theres more to life than racing so maybe thats why this is so funny to me. I have a lot more shit going on than my car, i own 10 acres of land in coll ville and im building a house that right there takes up most of my free time. i don't dump all my money into my car and if i did i would be a moron because theres a lot more to life. However when i finish paying for the house in about a month i can move on to the car again and then we will put both of out opinions to the test. If i loose then its not a big deal, if i win its still not a big deal. there just cars. A hobby thats it.

[sefus]

Can I have my thread back?

[GetawayInMoscow]

I don't give a fuck if you own land, good for you. When I'm on this site Im here to get down to business and talk about cars and racing, not about what land I own or where I live.

[KryptoSol]

Dude, i didn't waste my time reading every post, but SOHC FOR THE WIN BITCHES!!! LoL...


When do we do the swap Sefus?

[GetawayInMoscow]

LOL this is fun...I've very much enjoyed wasting my precious finals week arguing with ricers on SS. hehe

[pgmfituner]

ok screw you ive made many attempts at being CIVIL to you but i guess your just too much of a ass hole to be civil. you say you come here to get down to biz, from what ive seen you come here to talk shit to people who try and voice their opinion. i mentioned my land cause i was making a point that there is more to life than cars and you are taking this way to personal. but i will enjoy watching an LS SMOKE YOU (boostedrex). ha ha but wait an LS could'nt possibly be faster than a b16,, no thats not possible. see i can be an ass too.

[pgmfituner]

the threads all yours GetawayinMoscow just does'nt seem to want to play nice so screw him

[sefus]

Hey KryptoSol (Mike right?), Im in Montana til Sunday but Reid PMed me saying he might be able to lend a hand. I want to do it as early next week as possible, if you have some time hit me up!

-Sefus

[BlackMagic]

I ran a 12.71 on a 57trim t3/t4 B16 @ 8psi in a full interior hatch complete with window scraper, floor mats, and half-full rockstar can :)

Now you can have your thread back Beau.

[pgmfituner]

i admit that a b16 is a good motor just not my first choice. thats all its an OPINION thats all. GetawayinMoscow took it extreamly personal when i was'nt trying to bash on him. your 12.71 is a great time and i know that a b16 will do it. I would just rather have a ls-vtec thats all.

[thursday]

the stroke of the ls is what changes the engine so much compared to the b16 NOT the displacement.

why do you think an ls/vtec makes different power than a gsr?


gotta agree with meng

SOHC FTW!

[pgmfituner]

i understand that but i also believe that displacement makes a difference in a setup as well and the b16 has smaller displacement and shorter stroke. once again there both good motors i just dont prefer the b16. this is America and last time i checked i could still have my own opinion but GetawayInMoscow doesn't seem to think so. everyone hates drama here and he started it with the whole i cant tune or drive, why is'nt anyone complaining about him starting drama here. i was peacfull untill that post. come on im trying to be civil here.

[GetawayInMoscow]

because I am fucking around and you are shedding emo tears left and right because I called you out on something...chill pickle nobody gives a fuck...ITS THE INTERNET

[thursday]

yeah, internet drama is pointless though, don't get so worked up you get nowhere in the end.

i'm all for the underdog, when its cheaper that is.

[KryptoSol]

Hey KryptoSol (Mike right?), Im in Montana til Sunday but Reid PMed me saying he might be able to lend a hand. I want to do it as early next week as possible, if you have some time hit me up!

-Sefus

Correction, its Meng. :) I'm pretty much busy with school for the next three weeks, But after that i'll be free.

[KryptoSol]

SOHC FTW!


I love cars b/c its about the process, not the end product.

B-series motors are a no brainer, they either got the bore or the revs... figure it out.

[sefus]

Sorry Meng, got confused for a minute. I've decided I dont want you guys hanging out with my buddy, you'll make him want to put more money into his civic instead of finishing his chevelle.

[NitrousFedZC]

Dude, i didn't waste my time reading every post, but SOHC FOR THE WIN BITCHES!!! LoL...


When do we do the swap Sefus?


Damn right dude SOHC for life bitches. Less money, same results.