track schedule

[Thumpn]

I just found this on the county web site, I dont have much more info for now, but I have a email i sent and should hear back from him on tues.

I did notice that the aug dates for friday at the track fall on a wed. and I asked about that as well.

I have noticed that the county has started their own web page, it is- Spokane County Motorsports Park - Homepage
(http://www.spokanecounty.org/parks/MotorSportsPark)

Spokane County Motorsports Park Usage: Events Scheduled as of 12:00pm July 17, 2008:
Month Date Event
July 17,18,19 & 20 Spokane County Grand Prix
July 23 Spokane County Sherriff Dept. Training
July 25 Friday At The Track
July 26 & 27 High Performance Driving School
August 5 Spokane County Sherriff Dept. Training
August 6 Friday At The Track
August 14 Spokane County Sherriff Dept. Training
August 15 Spokane County Sherriff Dept. Training
August 20 Friday At The Track
August 26 Spokane County Sherriff Dept. Training
August 29 Spokane County Sherriff Dept. Training
September 5 & 6 Friday At The Track
October 3 Friday At The Track
October 4 & 5 High Performance Driving School
14 Track Day Events
6 Training Day Events "Tentative" and should hear back from him on tues.

[QWIKRNU]

Sweet! Looks like we will be racing this friday.

[Thumpn]

thats what i was thinking but i am waiting for more info before i get my hopes up

[BlackMagic]

Maybe not...Friday At The Track (FATT) was a tag line for more road racing events.

It was essentially a road racing driving school; more of the events run by Scott Adare if I remember right.

[gregc]

Friday At The Track (FATT) are road racing events put on by Scott Adare and the BMW club. Makes sense since renting the track to a group of racers is not that big of deal as far as work to get it done.

To put on a drag racing event with timing equipment, lights, burn out box, etc, etc takes a crew that half knows what they are doing. It appears the county isn't quite ready for that yet.

Edit: Damn it Reid... beat me by a few seconds.

[BlackMagic]

HAHA...now lets see if I can beat you at the light :)

[gregc]

By the time I get going again, you just might. Although, I did have a .0000 slip last year with quite a few .00x.... and a few -.0xx :eek:

[mark6052]

there wont be any real drag racing until next year. the cost to rent the track is making it impossible to do. its $2600 to rent, plus 25% of the gate (first $5000) then they want 50% there after. toilets, food consession, and insurance. way outta line. now they want a lease with somebody willing to "invest" alot of money with them. plus a 20yr bond to pay for the track. what a friggin joke.

[Northwest outlaw]

Call you say they fell out of there tree. any one up for some street raceing LOL j/k.

[gregc]

Wasn't it pretty much just me and you, mark, that were against county ownership?

Wonder what all the drag racers are thinking right now?

This isn't an I told you so since things may change in time...

[jrhaile]

Who has a good amount of land? Lets build our own...

[SOMTA]

Who has a good amount of land? Lets build our own...

Grandfather has a 50 acre lot we can build a dirt track on. I don't think a dirt track or the road to get to it is something you would be interested in at all jr. :D

[jrhaile]

Grandfather has a 50 acre lot we can build a dirt track on. I don't think a dirt track or the road to get to it is something you would be interested in at all jr. :D

nothing some big cats can't fix :D

[Thumpn]

Im thinking alot of driving to kent,boise or yakima

[Northwest outlaw]

looks like ill be go to lost creek alot thats is some sh-t right there. Well i guess when people start street raceing all over town and kill some one put the blame on the city LOL o well.

[gregc]

Well i guess when people start street raceing all over town and kill some one put the blame on the city LOL o well.

Now I know you were just joking... but that has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. That is like saying a girl was raped because some guys free internet porn wasn't working and it is Comcast's fault.

Like I said, I know you were joking and I'm sorry for singaling you out. Many people here state the same sort of thing. But you have to wonder why the commissioners don't take this group (Spokane Speed) seriously when we offer to clean up. All they have to do is look at some of the postings here and see what the mentality of some of the people here are. I wouldn't want this group on my property (where I am liable) either... even if it is for free.

Just my 2 cents.

[trbo355]

I was buzzing Division last sat. night in the bird and all i know is that the natives are restless since there were more Honduh's and sportbikes looking to race than iv'e ever seen. It was pretty gay. The track DOES need to open and give everybody an outlet to beat the hell out of their car in a safe manner or somebody WILL end up getting killed so unfortunately Greg, it is happening.
I guess if we never had a track for all these years it might not be so bad right now but once your used to a summertime routine its hard to break the habit.

[gregc]

I don't disagree that it is happening. I just think blaming the county for a death caused by dipshits is ludicrious. People need to take responsibility for there own actions and not blame others for THEIR inability to control themselves.

Another example: Hey dad, increase my allowance so I can go get a hooker or I'm going to start raping girls. Do you increase allowance? May seem like a poor correlation, but we are taking about "open the track or people will die."

[ntrcptr90]

I don't disagree that it is happening. I just think blaming the county for a death caused by dipshits is ludicrious. People need to take responsibility for there own actions and not blame others for THEIR inability to control themselves.

Another example: Hey dad, increase my allowance so I can go get a hooker or I'm going to start raping girls. Do you increase allowance? May seem like a poor correlation, but we are taking about "open the track or people will die."
Well in today's society what do you expect really? Nobody takes responsibility for their actions. Most people would rather pass the blame and move on their look at themselves or loved ones. Maybe they'll sue the Car manufacturers for cars not having brakes that can stop fast enough or something ridiculous like that.

[Northwest outlaw]

Yes it was a joke but i think the city does need to get some thing going. Ill be going to Lost Creek for now. I hope the city is working hard at getting this thing worked out.

[trbo355]

Well in today's society what do you expect really? Nobody takes responsibility for their actions. Most people would rather pass the blame and move on their look at themselves or loved ones. Maybe they'll sue the Car manufacturers for cars not having brakes that can stop fast enough or something ridiculous like that.
Yeah i agree that people in general are so damn retarded that they cant even take responsibility for being dumbshits. What happened to the good ol' days when parents could take their kids behind the woodshed and beat the hell out of them to knock a little sense into them without going to jail for "child abuse"? It's a sad state of affairs we have where everyone wants a fast buck and is willing to file lawsuits over accidents or personal injury that was probably their own damn fault for being an idiot.
I see so many people claiming to be so disabled they cant lift a finger yet they get around just fine, ride motorcycles and do yard work with ease.
Ya cant get a desk job huh? A-holes. . . . . . . Your right Greg and i guess the more i see the more it pisses me off.

[SOMTA]

Well in today's society what do you expect really? Nobody takes responsibility for their actions. Most people would rather pass the blame and move on their look at themselves or loved ones. Maybe they'll sue the Car manufacturers for cars not having brakes that can stop fast enough or something ridiculous like that.

If that is the case I want to sue GM for putting smaller brakes in the 97 - 03 Grand Prix's than previous years when the car is heavier and has more power than previous models. :(

I haven't been out on Division in forever but I can only imagine it is worse now than what it was with the track open. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if some retard gets killed on Division and the parents try to pass the buck to the county for not having a track around. Just ignore the fact that they knew what their kid was doing, encouraged it and were proud he was out there trying to cause trouble.

[gregc]

What happened to the good ol' days when parents could take their kids behind the woodshed and beat the hell out of them to knock a little sense into them without going to jail for "child abuse"?

Did you see that shit that happened in Coeur d'Alene over the fourth?!! Made national news. A gals daughter (22 months) kept bolting out into the parade so she swatted her on the bottom. Now she faces a possible year in jail. And... this happened in F'n IDAHO!! WTF?!

[2bad]

the point is that the county owns a track. The count that DOES have a racing problem. Its not only self control its having an outlet for when you do want to go fast. Going out to friday night races cut down a lot on races because people would be able to say "meet me at the track" instead of "meet me at division". The county could easily just let people line up and go, you dont NEED to get a time slip. Just let the kids get it out of their system, Keep it organized and safe but just work with what you have instead of putting it off.

[BlackMagic]

I love how "easy" everything is for the people who arent doing it.

[Ninja_Bear]

Reid you bitch, that was me on the freeway the other day. You were e/b on the freeway when you passed us. Tried gettin your attention but I figured you assumed I was some random punk.

[Thumpn]

Just to fill you guys in I recived an email back from the county, and basicaly what it said is that, the county wont open the track for Fri street drags unless sombody leases the track and runs the events

[gregc]

Just to fill you guys in I recived an email back from the county, and basicaly what it said is that, the county wont open the track for Fri street drags unless sombody leases the track and runs the events

And when they take 25% of ticket sales (up to $5k) as well as charge you $2600. Throw in insurance, security, medics and the misc stuff... Even with 1000 people at $10 a pop (racing or not), it wouldn't cover the costs. At that rate, you'd end up with $3650 BEFORE paying for the ins, security, medics, etc etc.

[BlackMagic]

Reid you bitch, that was me on the freeway the other day. You were e/b on the freeway when you passed us. Tried gettin your attention but I figured you assumed I was some random punk.

I realized it was you AFTER I I drove away from you guys.

[Jetblack]

And when they take 25% of ticket sales (up to $5k) as well as charge you $2600. Throw in insurance, security, medics and the misc stuff... Even with 1000 people at $10 a pop (racing or not), it wouldn't cover the costs. At that rate, you'd end up with $3650 BEFORE paying for the ins, security, medics, etc etc.

I bet if you rented a billboard and posted the night in question, in the boards, you'd get great attendance.

[gixslayer]

Now I know you were just joking... but that has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. That is like saying a girl was raped because some guys free internet porn wasn't working and it is Comcast's fault.

Like I said, I know you were joking and I'm sorry for singaling you out. Many people here state the same sort of thing. But you have to wonder why the commissioners don't take this group (Spokane Speed) seriously when we offer to clean up. All they have to do is look at some of the postings here and see what the mentality of some of the people here are. I wouldn't want this group on my property (where I am liable) either... even if it is for free.

Just my 2 cents.

Uhm Greg, if I recall correctly, (too much beer back then) I do remember a certain lotus espirit hauling ass up and division before there was friday night street racing :)

I could be mistaking though...

[Jetblack]

Just to fill you guys in I recived an email back from the county, and basicaly what it said is that, the county wont open the track for Fri street drags unless sombody leases the track and runs the events

So Mo could lease and run the track all summer again?

[mark6052]

TROY MOE maybe. orville will never be there again. rip. with about 60 days left, not much chance for a lease. maye if the county would wave the money down you could get enough to show up for a fnsr. it should draw at least 500 people. @ $10 ahead it would pay for whatever ambulance and security needed. maybe I'll call the parks director on monday.

[gregc]

Uhm Greg, if I recall correctly, (too much beer back then) I do remember a certain lotus espirit hauling ass up and division before there was friday night street racing :)

I could be mistaking though...

What?! Bah... I don't remember any such thing. And even if it were true, I am sure whomever would be driving such an amazing machine would take full responsibility for their actions rather than blame it on the county.

Plus the only time that car has been out of control was on twisty roads. One time was in the rain in Seattle. Another was in the hills south of Post Falls. And it did a 180 at the stateline exit headed towards ID (that sharp 90 to get onto Seltice). Wound up between two sign poles at the edge of some guys lawn with that one. Caught some gravel and over corrected. Oopps...

[Jetblack]

What?! Bah... I don't remember any such thing. And even if it were true, I am sure whomever would be driving such an amazing machine would take full responsibility for their actions rather than blame it on the county.

Plus the only time that car has been out of control was on twisty roads. One time was in the rain in Seattle. Another was in the hills south of Post Falls. And it did a 180 at the stateline exit headed towards ID (that sharp 90 to get onto Seltice). Wound up between two sign poles at the edge of some guys lawn with that one. Caught some gravel and over corrected. Oopps...

If [cough] any of that were to have allegedly happened...
:bigthumbs:

[gixslayer]

What?! Bah... I don't remember any such thing. And even if it were true, I am sure whomever would be driving such an amazing machine would take full responsibility for their actions rather than blame it on the county.

Plus the only time that car has been out of control was on twisty roads. One time was in the rain in Seattle. Another was in the hills south of Post Falls. And it did a 180 at the stateline exit headed towards ID (that sharp 90 to get onto Seltice). Wound up between two sign poles at the edge of some guys lawn with that one. Caught some gravel and over corrected. Oopps...

hehe and every time it was autocrossing muahahaha, just giving you a hard time

[BlackMagic]

TROY MOE maybe. orville will never be there again. rip. with about 60 days left, not much chance for a lease. maye if the county would wave the money down you could get enough to show up for a fnsr. it should draw at least 500 people. @ $10 ahead it would pay for whatever ambulance and security needed. maybe I'll call the parks director on monday.

I have an email in to John Bottelli. I received an email back from Mark Richard last week. You can read the email below.

Original Message:

Commissioner Richard,

I would like to extend a congratulations to Spokane County on the successful acquisition of Spokane Raceway Park. It is exciting to see that the Spokane Parks Department has already posted several events on the calendar for the remainder of the 2008 racing season. I have been a big supporter of the county’s decision to purchase SRP and have attended most of the public forum events as well as the auction.

I only have one concern that I would like to make you aware of. At each of the public events held prior to the purchase of SRP motorsports enthusiasts spoke in support of Spokane County’s decision. Unfortunately, it appears that the group that has provided 80% of the support and attendance at those functions is being overlooked now that the county has ownership of the SRP complex. The group that I am referring to are the drag racers who spent many Friday nights at the FNSR program as well as those of us who have been involved with the regular Saturday points series events.

Spokane County had taken the position that, at the very least, the Friday Night Street Racing Program was a priority. Is this still the case? Can the drag racing community expect to see events added to the current schedule before the conclusion of the 2008 season? If not, is this a manpower issue, an insurance issue, or possibly just a scheduling issue? Is there anything that the racing community can do to help get the drag strip up and running?

I thank you in advance for your time.

Best Regards,

Reid Henry
Project Engineer
Unitech Composites, Inc


Response from Commissioner Richard:

Mr. Henry. thank you for writing and let me assure you we have not put your interests on the back shelf. because we have gone to a first come first serve lease concept, it will be incumbent upon folks like you to pull these Friday night events together, but you are absolutely correct they are a priority and our staff will assist you any way we can in getting you set up.
I have linked John Bottelli in this email so that he might expect your call or reply.
Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I hope you can get this program going.
Sincerely,

Mark Richard
Spokane County Commissioner
District 2

[jrhaile]

Reid for president

That is all

[mark6052]

your interests have not been put on the shelf. but its up to "somebody" else to put it together. nice goverment b.s. wanna bet they will charge you for the use of the track?

[badassmav]

Still kinda like moe is running the track!!, I'll open the gate for $5000 you can do the rest! Lock the door and shut off the lights when you leave!

[2bad]

why do they bother buying it if their just expecting everyone to come up with the money to run it? They might as well have asked their supporters to buy the track. They dont care that most of their support is to keep people off the streets, their just trying to make money, damn county...

[mark6052]

what "help" does mr richards think his staff will supply? will they wave the $1500 fee? maybe inexchange for the gate monies. a general liability insurance of $1,000,000 and a $5,000,000 for a motorized event. I have a copy of the 12 page use application. lots of legals in it. so who's voluntiering for the cleanup? they will feed you lunch! maybe next year they will either have somebody in place running it, or sell it.

[gregc]

why do they bother buying it if their just expecting everyone to come up with the money to run it?

Because sherif Ozzie really wanted it for training purposes. And lately it seems Ozzie gets what Ozzie wants.

[VWLover]

Still kinda like moe is running the track!!, I'll open the gate for $5000 you can do the rest! Lock the door and shut off the lights when you leave!
With the exception that when Moe was running it. It was open and people were racing. And with what it will cost to get something going now and possibly next year. racing before was real cheap! Sure it's true, It had it's problems. But are we in a better situation now?

[mark6052]

who cares if anybody "feels" they were better off. what orville did was a crime. he took money under false pretenses. he never gave any thing to those he owed. yeah we got to race there. how narrow minded. and many that raced there got hurt and killed, inpart because orville did nothing for there safety.for the last ten years the track was a pos. you might as well run on the street. the county is messing it up just the way some of us said they would. and if the election goes against the two, it will be sold.

[VWLover]

Well I guess if anyone really knew the truth it probly would be easy to say. But no one on here knows the truth from 30 years ago. And since Mr Moe isn't in jail I find it hard to see really what he has done that is illegal. But It has been known for many years that the people who put up money were looking to put it to something to avoid paying taxes on it.So should the investors be paying back taxes and penalties? What did they want to make money off it to pay more taxes on or to bring drag racing and circle track to spokane because they enjoyed the sport? Again no one knows. I would like to know why troy was thrown to the side when is lies were found out. Now he is hiding like the pos he is. The reciever drained the track monies that it operated on paying thenselves thousands of dollars a month to do nothing in the winter. While there employee was selling crack out of the trailer out there, scrapping anything made of metal. Oh but maybe these were friends of yours, and troys. Maybe this is the future you were hoping for. As I see it everyone took their chances and knew the risks of racing there like anywhere for that matter. You can have the safest track in the world and people will still get hurt and even killed. Do we blame the track manager or owner for Scott K's death or is it the risk you take for the ride and the rush? It's the same thing as the street racing issue.... Taking RESONSIBILITY for your own action!

[mark6052]

the truth is orville made a bunch of monies and kept it for himself. maybe hard to prove criminal, but its fact. the share holders will pay taxes and would have if they had gotten any. but its legal to invest and and have ways to defer it. yes the reciever drained monies, thats what those sharks do. as for track safety, yes the track owner can be held liable for scotts death, there were some serious things wrong with the shutdown area. as to the track alot of you guys on here felt the county was your little daddy going to give you the fnsr back, and for free. surprise! they should have let it sell to those that wanted to really make it a race complex like it should be.

[VWLover]

as to the track alot of you guys on here felt the county was your little daddy going to give you the fnsr back, and for free. surprise! they should have let it sell to those that wanted to really make it a race complex like it should be. Well I can say I had no opinion on how it would have turned out with the county buying it. But I have to agree that it would have served all our needs better had it gone to someone that had it's racing interest in mind. With no racing this year what will come of the noise ordinance allowing for the loud cars. And late night events? As it was stared before homes were built so close. I see a doomed future as far as the Drag racing scene in Spokane.

[mark6052]

noise ordinances can change. nothing said it would allow allnite racing forever. with encroachment by homes, etc it will come. many tracks require mufflers on many of the cars. (it doesnt hurt) the fnsr would work since the cars would be street legal anyway. the track will survive, it just needs a real manager.

[BlackMagic]

Here is the latest email correspondance from Spokane County Parks dept.

Hi Mr. Henry,

Thank you for your interest in Spokane County's most recent investment in the Raceway.

While my hands are tied to the fee schedule and operation parameters outlined in the license agreement I am happy to report that I am currently working with a group that is very interested in scheduling Friday night drag racing for street legal cars possibly starting in late August or first of September. Please understand this is in progress, and not officially confirmed.

I agree it is difficult for a hobbyist to meet all of our criteria. We really looked hard at whether or not we could do much in 2008 given such a late season ownership transfer not knowing (or had an opportunity to learn) what works and doesn't work we are pleased to have as much interest as we have given the "as-is" condition of the facility.

Please know that Spokane County is working hard to insure a very bright future for this facility and is looking to begin a public master planning process for the facility as soon as the first of September. We also have a goal of selecting a long-term operator by the first part of October that will be expected to invest significantly into improving the facility.

Thank you again for your understanding, patience and support of the Raceway.

Please call at anytime if I can answer additional questions,
Doug Chase, Director
Spokane County Parks, Recreation & Golf

[BlackMagic]

i wonder if this "group" has ever run an event like FNSR. Maybe Jeffro can be involved...lol

If these guys are just a bunch of people trying to get the track day it will be a major cluster fuck imo.

Oh well, I think I am done trying to help. Ill just sit back and watch the circus.

[Northwest outlaw]

x2 im just going to sit back and see what happen and if it dont happen ill be running at lost creek.

[mark6052]

so the county HOPES to lease the track to somebody who will invest alot of money just for the pleasure to run the track? who asked for the county to buy this place? goverment know nothings. wheres my whiskey. im going to anaconda aug 22-24