how "strict" will the track be?

[mark6052]

With the track going nhra and being ran by two men that know this sport well. I wonder what some of you expect them to do. How long should they ignore cars that are very fast, say 10s, or 13s if you want. If you would not be allowed to run at another track, why should you here? Should they ignore the NOS improperly installed just so you can make afew passes? No helmet, so what. Better yet, what are you doing to make sure that your car meets regs? We told the county we wanted a place to race, it would be nice if everybody came ready to race, legal, and wanting to see this place succeed as a modern track. Forget that it was ever an outlaw, chaotic, joke. those days are GONE! get over it.

[2bad]

I'm too slow for it to really matter but assuming I ever got fast enough for anything but the normal saftey devices then i'd be happy to comply with regs. they are there to keep you safe.

[Supra98]

I'm all for it!

[a1320honda]

Seems some poeple are making a big issue of how the safety being imposed at the track is gonna turn away the very people the track is meant to help...Streetracers, But what most people dont take into account is that most ricer-streetracers dont have cars that are actualy fast enough to have alot of high priced safety equipment needed. I unfortunately know a good portion of those people, and a vast majority of those cars run low 13's or slower (big emphasis on the word slower). I myself am very excited that the safety rules will be in place. Everytime i posted up in other forums what my car ran with the lack of safety equipment it had, i got flamed by those that do have to meet the requirements of an NHRA sanctioned track. So for me.....BRING ON THE RULES!

[2bad]

although there are a few who will have to step it up to meet the rules. The guys who can go fast and do it safe are the ones who get to go home at the end of the day w/o a trip to the hospital. It might sound like an exageration but if you wreck going that fast w/o the saftey equiptment your screwed.

[talntid]

although there are a few who will have to step it up to meet the rules. The guys who can go fast and do it safe are the ones who get to go home at the end of the day w/o a trip to the hospital. It might sound like an exageration but if you wreck going that fast w/o the saftey equiptment your screwed.


I think for a lot of people, the safety is not an issue. They don't mind installing the safety equipment when their car is fast. I think the issue is the cost of paying for a sticker to confirm it is safe. I'm not 100% sure, but those stickers can get pretty pricey I think?

People will chip in and say "If you can afford to build a car that is that fast... you can afford the stickers." ... Cars are getting cheaper and cheaper to get power out of. People would rather use those few hundred dollars to continue modding their car, not putting stickers on it.

I, for one, will have to get all the safety equipment so I can run at the track, and I am going to grit my teeth every time I have to pay someone to put a sticker on the car.

If I am wrong on this, please let me know, but this is how I understand it... I could be completely wrong. lol :)

[GetawayInMoscow]

You gotta pay to play.

If you don't like the rules get back in the kitchen with all the bitches and STFU

[badassmav]

It just means there won't be as many pieces of shit out there to watch!

[TurboNuts]

It just means there won't be as many pieces of shit out there to watch!

LMAO!!! Sorry that was funny...Eric doesnt the dsm haft to run before it needs sfi stickers?? lol

[mark6052]

most of the regs kick in after 11.50s. that said at a 13.99 you need a snell2000 helmet, plus the usual overflow can, batt hold down, etc. after acouple weeks im sure it will settle down, those that have the required safety will race, those that dont can watch. but it will be more than just the car safety. its just gonna take alittle attitude adjustment for afew. spokane is going to turn into a top notch track with some big races for all coming.

[Bad Bug Two]

...it would be nice if everybody came ready to race, legal, and wanting to see this place succeed as a modern track. Forget that it was ever an outlaw, chaotic, joke. those days are GONE! get over it.

As mentioned in another thread awhile back. Myself and others would be happy to do a "pre-tech" of cars to help get people on track (so to say!)

I should be able to use SCC as a location. Of course, if we do this, we will need the weather to be a lot better!

[Bad Bug Two]

...I think the issue is the cost of paying for a sticker to confirm it is safe. I'm not 100% sure, but those stickers can get pretty pricey...

You mean one of these...

http://www.badbug.com/images/sticker.jpg

Unless things have changed, I believe "the sticker" only costs $75.00 and is good for three years. You only need one of these when you either go 9.99 or quicker or faster than 135mph.

Basicly that would be a chassis certification.

Now of course a person would also need all of the safety stuff required to that point, a competition license and a NHRA membership.

[Steve]

With the track going nhra and being ran by two men that know this sport well. I wonder what some of you expect them to do. How long should they ignore cars that are very fast, say 10s, or 13s if you want. If you would not be allowed to run at another track, why should you here? Should they ignore the NOS improperly installed just so you can make afew passes? No helmet, so what. Better yet, what are you doing to make sure that your car meets regs? We told the county we wanted a place to race, it would be nice if everybody came ready to race, legal, and wanting to see this place succeed as a modern track. Forget that it was ever an outlaw, chaotic, joke. those days are GONE! get over it.
Where did the idea come from that cars that are not legal are going to get to race ?

[Throttletag]

Where did the idea come from that cars that are not legal are going to get to race ?

It's just been a known thing around this side of the state (or this corner of the U.S., how ever far ya wanna go) that if someone wasn't able to pass tech at elsewhere, that said person would be accepted in Spokane 99.5% of the time. Now, that's all going to change...

[talntid]

$75 for 3 years isn't bad.. :) I thought we were talking like $300 for a year... which would suck...

[Ryfly05]

most of the regs kick in after 11.50s. that said at a 13.99 you need a snell2000 helmet, plus the usual overflow can, batt hold down, etc.

In all honesty, I'd feel pretty retarded wearing a helmet in my car. I have one, so thats not a problem, but going down the track feels like a sunday drive in my car lol. I feel safer racing at the track than driving the streets of spokane, which Im sure a lot of people can say lol.

[a1320honda]

In all honesty, I'd feel pretty retarded wearing a helmet in my car. I have one, so thats not a problem, but going down the track feels like a sunday drive in my car lol. I feel safer racing at the track than driving the streets of spokane, which Im sure a lot of people can say lol.

But still, sunday drive or not, its safe. you never know when some sort of catastophic failure would occure and send the car towards the wall. Especialy with a FWD car. An axle breaks and the car will head for the wall, If were goin off NHRA rules, those rules are put in place for a reason. Now some people may not be goin fast enough to feel that a helmet is required, but really thingk about your trap speed at the end of the track and imagine what hitting the wall at 100mph would do. This has been a seroius constant thought in my head lately since i was trapping 130mph last year. IT DOWNRIGHT SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA ME!! I dont think wearing a helmet is too much to ask, and your not wanting to cause it would "feel retarded." How retarded are you gonna feel if god forbid something happen and you hit a wall or another car. Not tryin to start peoblems, just think about the big picture when it comes to racing. Ive neglected safety for so many years, and ive seen several people die in racing accidents over the years. Just kinda keep things in mind when you think bein safe is really on your agenda cause it will "feel retarded."

[jrhaile]

Did I miss a thread somewhere but does someone have a BASIC dummy list of rules for the track?

Helmet is no biggie for me as I'm used to wearing one while AutoXing or road coursing..

[a1320honda]

Id say most of the people here that need safety are the FWD/sport compact cars.

So heres the 2008 NHRA rules in PDF:
http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/sportcompact/2008_SC_Rulebook.pdf

[Ryfly05]

But still, sunday drive or not, its safe. you never know when some sort of catastophic failure would occure and send the car towards the wall. Especialy with a FWD car. An axle breaks and the car will head for the wall, If were goin off NHRA rules, those rules are put in place for a reason. Now some people may not be goin fast enough to feel that a helmet is required, but really thingk about your trap speed at the end of the track and imagine what hitting the wall at 100mph would do. This has been a seroius constant thought in my head lately since i was trapping 130mph last year. IT DOWNRIGHT SCARES THE SHIT OUTTA ME!! I dont think wearing a helmet is too much to ask, and your not wanting to cause it would "feel retarded." How retarded are you gonna feel if god forbid something happen and you hit a wall or another car. Not tryin to start peoblems, just think about the big picture when it comes to racing. Ive neglected safety for so many years, and ive seen several people die in racing accidents over the years. Just kinda keep things in mind when you think bein safe is really on your agenda cause it will "feel retarded."

Oh I agree completely with what you're saying. Im not against the rules at all. All I'm saying is that my car really doesnt "feel" as fast as it is (even though its still not that fast). I feel like I'm cruising down division at 35 mph at the end of the tack lol. Yeah hitting the wall at 100 would do some serious damage, and trapping 130 in a honda would probly scare me too lol! Probly enough that I would WANT to wear a helmet and not HAVE to.

[Steve]

I started reading some of those rules posted and didn't realize that this was a rule /////>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Participants agree: (a) that, without the prior written consent of
NHRA, they shall not take any still or motion pictures or make any
audio or visual recording of the event, participants therein, or
activities at the site of the event for use other than personal, inhome
use of the participant, or cause or permit others to do so or
to use the same; (b) that NHRA shall have exclusive, worldwide,
perpetual, and universal use of any pictures or recordings made
or used in violation of this paragraph; and (c) that NHRA shall be
irreparably harmed by the making or use of such pictures or
recordings in such fashion without such permission.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So if you video a race and post it on streetfire or youtube , or on your own site , you have to obtain permission ?

[Ryfly05]

Yeah, and they will be "irreparably harmed" by it! HAHA!

[NIevo]

Everytime i posted up in other forums what my car ran with the lack of safety equipment it had, i got flamed by those that do have to meet the requirements of an NHRA sanctioned track. So for me.....BRING ON THE RULES!

Lol...I know what you mean, when I posted up my 10sec vids the first thing I got asked was "are you just wearing a hat turned backwards in that video"?

[Silver R/T]

In all honesty, I'd feel pretty retarded wearing a helmet in my car. I have one, so thats not a problem, but going down the track feels like a sunday drive in my car lol. I feel safer racing at the track than driving the streets of spokane, which Im sure a lot of people can say lol.

agree on that one.

[mark6052]

speed can be decieving. I took afriend to the topend in seattle to watch the 10.90 guys run. he had at the time a 10sec streetcar, bbc camero. after watching he looked at me asking "I go that fast?" I told him yes and as we watched he relised that when he went home he built a rollcage. then later bought an all tube chassis car. he's never forgotten how fast 130mph looks from the outside. same for "just" 100mph. nhra does control what could be embarassing to them. thats why you dont see vids of kallitta's crash.

[QWIKRNU]

You will quickly get used to wearing a helmet. While I was racing the evo in California it was mandatory. Now it feels awkward not wearing a helmet.


thats why you dont see vids of kallitta's crash.

There are a shit load of his crash on youtube.

[Bad Bug Two]

Here is a good example as it is a car that is dialed in with a 12.30, so he isn't really going that fast...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbc-51fRkQ

Makes you think...

[Throttletag]

There are a shit load of his crash on youtube.

And, I believe, all those video's are of the t.v. broadcast that was released by NHRA. Could be wrong on that. I didn't like seeing it that day, let alone over and over again on websites, so I haven't looked...

[98Z28]

Unless things have changed, I believe "the sticker" only costs $75.00 and is good for three years. You only need one of these when you either go 9.99 or quicker or faster than 135mph.

Basicly that would be a chassis certification.

Now of course a person would also need all of the safety stuff required to that point, a competition license and a NHRA membership.[/QUOTE]..

What are you required to do in order to recieve an NHRA license?
Will the track owners or operator be required to hire a tech inspector to certify cars?

[Throttletag]

What are you required to do in order to recieve an NHRA license? Will the track owners or operator be required to hire a tech inspector to certify cars?

You will need a physical done pryor to making any of your test runs. You can download all the physical and license forms off of the NHRA site. The car will also need to be taged. The track will have certified tech's on hand for all the races. Also, probably before you make your test passes, you'll be required to do a "blind fold" test inside the car. All that is is a test to make sure that in the event of a cabin full of smoke or dirt or you've just been flat out blinded, that you can still hit all the switches and parachute levers, even if you can't see them. Hope this helped...

[scooter]

sweet, only the people with 20+ dollar an hour jobs will be competitave AWESOME!

[a1320honda]

sweet, only the people with 20+ dollar an hour jobs will be competitave AWESOME!



Gotta pay to play!

[Bad Bug Two]

sweet, only the people with 20+ dollar an hour jobs will be competitave AWESOME!

It's not just what you have, but what you do with it.

When I was single and made half the money I do now, I raced a lot more! Some how a family has a way of eating up your money!

:)

[BlackMagic]

Scooter...quit whining. We are all going to be bracket racing so anyone who can run a consistent number will be competitve.

If you dont like the way the track is going then dont come race. It wont hurt anyone's feelings if we dont see you out there every weekend.

[ntrcptr90]

sweet, only the people with 20+ dollar an hour jobs will be competitave AWESOME!You run in the 12s right, so you need a helmet, loop and not much else. Why are you bitching again?

[rrussell]

You run in the 12s right, so you need a helmet, loop and not much else. Why are you bitching again?

and mufflers... OK maybe thats just what I think you need. Your car is obnoxiously loud!!!

[scooter]

you know ive been told that before but, i sure cant hear anything :D

[badassmav]

I second the motion on mufflers for scooter!

If it's that loud, it better be really fast

[scooter]

hey the option was long tube headers for 500+ bucks or short tube el-cheapo's for 89.99 what do you think i bought:D depending on when i am moving the car isnt going anywhere but in storage for a while. until i get settled back down, so it'll still be slow :D

[98Z28]

You will need a physical done pryor to making any of your test runs. You can download all the physical and license forms off of the NHRA site. The car will also need to be taged. The track will have certified tech's on hand for all the races. Also, probably before you make your test passes, you'll be required to do a "blind fold" test inside the car. All that is is a test to make sure that in the event of a cabin full of smoke or dirt or you've just been flat out blinded, that you can still hit all the switches and parachute levers, even if you can't see them. Hope this helped...



Thats great, thank you!!

[Steve]

In all honesty, I'd feel pretty retarded wearing a helmet in my car. I have one, so thats not a problem, but going down the track feels like a sunday drive in my car lol. I feel safer racing at the track than driving the streets of spokane, which Im sure a lot of people can say lol.
There is a huge difference between the way vehicles handle at speed. Noone ,with any brains at all, would argue that any new performance car has any where near the same probablility of crashing at speed , as some 50's or 60's pile of shit with or without a rollbar . The rules simply don't take into account the stability of the car. It is pretty much impossible for a tech inspector to rate a car's stability and braking , without driving it , and they have no way of knowing what has been altered from factory .
Have you seen that backhoe that runs 12's? Talk about dangerous.

[Bad Bug Two]

Along those lines, some things that people need to keep in mind...

What if the car in the other lane suddenly crosses over and hits you?

What if something small falls off of the car that just ran before you and you hit it at speed, blowing out a tire?

These things can happen.

[Jetblack]

Have you seen that backhoe that runs 12's? Talk about dangerous.

Holy....

I want to find video of THAT! "This is not your father's Bobcat."

[Bad Bug Two]

Holy....

I want to find video of THAT! "This is not your father's Bobcat."

I did a search and found this...

Just a car guy: 17 second 1/4 miler backhoe, at Rocky Mountain Nationals 2007 (http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2008/05/17-second-14-miler-backhoe-at-rocky.html)

[Steve]

Along those lines, some things that people need to keep in mind...

What if the car in the other lane suddenly crosses over and hits you?

What if something small falls off of the car that just ran before you and you hit it at speed, blowing out a tire?

These things can happen. Are we talking about everyday things that can happen while driving down the freeway or things that can happen on the strip ?

[Steve]

I did a search and found this...

Just a car guy: 17 second 1/4 miler backhoe, at Rocky Mountain Nationals 2007 (http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2008/05/17-second-14-miler-backhoe-at-rocky.html)

That is the same hoe. There are vids of it on youtube . Must not have been 12's , but it still looks scarey.

[Bad Bug Two]

Are we talking about everyday things that can happen while driving down the freeway or things that can happen on the strip ?

At the strip.

Just trying to reiterate that no matter how stable your car is, the other guy can still take you out. This is where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[2bad]

Nomatter how stable your car is, not only the other car can take you out, stupid stuff could take you out like you could blow a seal and leak some fluid onto a tire, have a hood fly into your windshield. anything can happen..

[BOOGEYMAN]

Not sure if this have been covered or not but NHRA does not allow any passengers eithor, no matter how slow your car is!!

Travis

[2bad]

that rule really sucks actually, but its good to know

[mark6052]

that rule really sucks actually, but its good to know

and why does that rule "suck". want to impress a friend, or if you wreck you want to share the experience?

[rrussell]

I'm all for the rules.

Its nice to have a local track that will be legit.

[x NOODLES x]

and why does that rule "suck". want to impress a friend, or if you wreck you want to share the experience?

This is kinda rude......

Who doesn't want to take out there buddy for quick ride??
At least its not on the street, where all our families are.

[Ryfly05]

This is kinda rude......

Who doesn't want to take out there buddy for quick ride??
At least its not on the street, where all our families are.

Exactly.

Not everyone has a fast car, and maybe they wanna see what its like. You want them to see what its like on the street with their buddies???

It IS a stupid rule if thats true.

[BOOGEYMAN]

There is no reason to have a passenger in a car going down the track trying to see how fast they can go. I dont know about you guys but I do not want to be responsable for someone's life in my ride!

Just like in my new boat or my buddies with boats well over the 100 mph mark, I will take people to the lake and cruise or go for quick wacks of the pedal so they can get an idea of how it would pull but never make a full pass with a passenger in it. You just never know what can go wrong and I am not willing to take that risk.

Maybe I am just getting old....:)

Travis

[QWIKRNU]

Not sure if this have been covered or not but NHRA does not allow any passengers eithor, no matter how slow your car is!!

Travis


I never heard about that rule. The nhra tracks I raced at allow passengers unless your fast enough to need a helmet. Either way, I'm very happy that we will have a nhra track. Once you race at a real track, its hard to deal with the crap we have put up with at srp.

[mark6052]

sofar the only reason for a passenger is an ego thing. showing a buddy what a fast ride you have. and you're such a good citizen not wanting to do it on public roads. LOL why dont you let your bud drive the car? and yes I have taught many people how to dragrace in my personal car.

[scooter]

imo if the passenger has the same safety equipment as the driver, helmet, suit, 5 points, etc whats the big deal?

[Throttletag]

From the 2009 NHRA Rule Book: Page 283, General Regulations 10:9 "OCCUPANTS" (No more than one person is permitted in any car during any run, except one co-driver permitted in 14-second and slower E.T. cars; co-driver must be a minimum of 16 years old.) Hope this helps...

[QWIKRNU]

From the 2009 NHRA Rule Book: Page 283, General Regulations 10:9 "OCCUPANTS" (No more than one person is permitted in any car during any run, except one co-driver permitted in 14-second and slower E.T. cars; co-driver must be a minimum of 16 years old.) Hope this helps...

Ok, thats what I thought. Thanks for the info.

[Bad Bug Two]

From the 2009 NHRA Rule Book: Page 283, General Regulations 10:9 "OCCUPANTS" (No more than one person is permitted in any car during any run, except one co-driver permitted in 14-second and slower E.T. cars; co-driver must be a minimum of 16 years old.) Hope this helps...

Yea, I was thinking so too, but didn't have a chance to look at my rulebook.

[gregc]

and yes I have taught many people how to dragrace in my personal car.

I want to learn to drive a fast car Mark. I'll even pay for fuel! :p

[mark6052]

I meant my 66vett, with the BB it can run low 11s. alittle slow for you greg. as for the f/c I may need to rent it out if things dont get better. with the new engine it will be setup for a new group of funnycars running at spokane. should be 6.70-6.90 @200mph.

[gregc]

I may need to rent it out if things dont get better. with the new engine it will be setup for a new group of funnycars running at spokane. should be 6.70-6.90 @200mph.

Pretty damn fast. I've pushed over 160 before and it felt alright (in my car). I'd love to see how the speed feels in a car designed to go that fast! haha

It'll be fun to race with all the locals at the local track instead of hauling for hours to do it.

[AWD_Launch]

Just a quick question that I'll probably get blamed for but will people who let out or "sandbag" get into trouble if they pass tech for their field? Example, my car should need a cage and other things but what if I let out lets say half track and run mid-high12's?

[a1320honda]

I could be wrong, but a real track will make you run a throttle stop, which limits you from going WOT. They dont want you to have the ability to go faster than what your care is safe for. At least thats the way it worked in Boise.

[gregc]

When I was racing in Boise before I had my license, they just told me to keep it slower than 9.99. When I went 9.98, they pulled me aside and "reminded" me to keep it at 10 or slower. No big deal.

Might be different with safety equipment that is lacking.

[AWD_Launch]

I was just thinking of lowering the boost to only say 24-25lbs and run a safe 10.8-11.2 A/F and take a degree of two of timing out and going easy on the launch, I figure that should make it run a 11.80-12.00

[BOOGEYMAN]

Remember if you guys start running faster than allowed more than once or twice you may be asked to leave and not to return till the safty equiptment is installed!! I have seen people thrown out of tracks trying to keep in under a time frame and slip up once or twice just so they can skip out on saftey equiptment.

Travis

[Trannyman]

Remember if you guys start running faster than allowed more than once or twice you may be asked to leave and not to return till the safty equiptment is installed!! I have seen people thrown out of tracks trying to keep in under a time frame and slip up once or twice just so they can skip out on saftey equiptment.

Travis

Pretty sad if a bunch of toothless hill billys throw your ass out of SRP LMFAO

[mark6052]

the nice part is with "real" clocks everybody should be alittle bit slower to start with. if you just go ALITTLE faster than the rules, no problem, blow by it and they will call bullshit on the cars tech. there should only be afew of you to start with anyway. A word of advice to all. do not try bullshit with livingston, this guys dad owns woodburn and he's seen it all. and unless you have a deathwish dont piss off bucky, not a smart thing todo. this maybe alittle to harsh for you sensitive types but nobody gives a f... if you arent there. cause there will be plenty to take your place. bring the best you have and enjoy the track.

[Jetblack]

+1

I am fabbing up my papier mache roll cage right now! A little gel coat to make it shiny and we're golden.

[Can Am Motorsports]

Has Bucky signed on the line yet ??

[mark6052]

Bucky has signed more than once. when they will get started on fixing the track? maybe when the snow melts alittle more. personally I dont see the track opening till late april or early may.

[gregc]

My understanding (through the grapevine) is he doesn't take possession until April but we are already on the schedule for a divisional.

[BOOGEYMAN]

The west coat pro mod guys have two races scheduled for the 09 season as well!!

Travis

[a1320honda]

The west coat pro mod guys have two races scheduled for the 09 season as well!!

Travis


FUCK YEAH....I love pro mod cars!

[mark6052]

My understanding (through the grapevine) is he doesn't take possession until April but we are already on the schedule for a divisional.

the "rumor" is june for the div6 race. also I was told we would run the f/c in may. its a new group of us running a nostalgia blown alcohol, Jay said he would run an aggresive schedule. but wow! I hope they take care of the track and all first.