Round 2 begins

[Ryfly05]

This round of mods is a little bigger than round 1 this winter, which was just headers :).

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0351.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0352.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0353.jpg

Pics tell the story. Not in the pics that are coming later are GM LS7 lifters which are direct replacements for my car, Innovate XD-16 wideband, and double roller timing set.

Cam specs are 220/230 @.050", .507/.507" lift, 112* lobe separation. In comparison, stock cam is 182/192 @.050", .40x" lift, and 115* lsa.

This cam is designed for non intercooled cars, and has lots of overlap to decrease boost and therefore hot air. I also hear it works great as a nitrous cam, but dont know if I will try that yet. Also has a WICKED idle!

Car goes under the knife tuesday, hope to have it done in about a week! Cant wait for dyno day!!!

[jrhaile]

All of this for 12s? :D

[Ryfly05]

All of this for 12s? :D

Hopefully! :D

[SRT Brian]

Thats alot of work. What are you looking to run? how much HP? 200!!!! :)

[x NOODLES x]

All of this for 12s? :D

Your Mean. ;)

Edit - Wait a second, did you get into the 12's yet James?? lol.

[jrhaile]

Your Mean. ;)

Edit - Wait a second, did you get into the 12's yet James?? lol.

Nope :D But damn that's a lot of work for 12s. All I'd have to do is change out my rear or less. Hell, I can do it now, I just can't drive. People have ran 12.8 with stock M5s. Shows how much I suck hahaha

[Ryfly05]

Thats alot of work. What are you looking to run? how much HP? 200!!!! :)

We'll see dyno day!

[jzcobra]

Nice looks like you will be busy for sure.

[sr240]

ya but thats y a m5 costs alot more than a gtp... and if you think thats not that much for mods.. just headers, cam, and some head work..i like it.. you planning on some tires??

[jrhaile]

We'll see dyno day!

Aren't you blown? You gotta be nearing the 350rwhp mark?

[x NOODLES x]

Aren't you blown?

Correct.

Why not a smaller pulley as well?

[Ryfly05]

ya but thats y a m5 costs alot more than a gtp... and if you think thats not that much for mods.. just headers, cam, and some head work..i like it.. you planning on some tires??

Thanks. Stock heads other than springs and rockers, which dont really count. I could've kept the stock springs and rockers if I wanted to, but I wanted to be able to rev a little higher. The rockers are stock ratio, but they have the roller tip, which the stockers dont. And yes, some slicks or DR's, as well as bigger injectors are priorities.


Aren't you blown? You gotta be nearing the 350rwhp mark?

Stock s/c (besides pulley) and throttle body, yes. Power should hopefully be somewhere around there.

Why not a smaller pulley as well?

I already have a pulley small enough now, that I have to use race gas to run. I'm hoping after this cam, I can run that pulley on pump gas. Then after I get bigger injectors, I can run an even smaller pulley, with race gas again.

[Jetblack]

Aren't you blown? You gotta be nearing the 350rwhp mark?

Now you are just being mean...

rwhp. Cruel. :mad: He is FWD. :rofl:

[Jetblack]

But we don't hold it against him and we like him anyway :o

Some of my best friends drive FWDs. :D

[jrhaile]

Now you are just being mean...

rwhp. Cruel. :mad: He is FWD. :rofl:

oops yeah, forgot... damn FWD lol

[GetawayInMoscow]

Supercharger + V6 + Cam + FWD = no traction until 100mph?

[Ninja_Bear]

I can attest Ryans GTP already blows the tires up at the slightest blip while rolling, camming that thing probably wont help lol

[SRT Brian]

What are you going to do about traction?

[Ryfly05]

I plan on getting some slicks or dr's for my stock rims later. I do wanna see what it'll do on street tires though. Looks like I'll be practicing my launch techniques for a while :D.

[SRT Brian]

Lol yeah! what have other cars with the same mods run?

[Ryfly05]

Well I was busy today. These pics were taken over the course of about 9 (working) hours, which is pretty good for all I got done!

The beginning:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0354.jpg

Blower and other accessories off:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0356.jpg

Me wiping down valley after lower intake removal:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0358.jpg

Valve covers and lower intake off:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0368.jpg

Rockers off:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0369.jpg

Pushrods and lifters taken out:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0371.jpg

130K mile lifters look great!
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0372.jpg

Assorted clutter:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0374.jpg

Old vs new:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0376.jpg

All done up top:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0383.jpg

Timing cover off, chain tensioner removed:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0388.jpg

After 130K of rubbing the chain, not too bad:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0387.jpg

Nothing like taking a cam out through the wheel well!
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0391.jpg

My dorky self with the trophy shot!
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0397.jpg

Little bit of difference???
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0400.jpg

90% of the work was done by me, I had help with the valve springs and dropping the cradle to get to the cam. I can take it apart, now can I get it back together???? :ugh:

[SRT Brian]

Hell yeah! lookin good man! what do you use for computer tunning?

[Ryfly05]

Hell yeah! lookin good man! what do you use for computer tunning?

It's called powertuner. It only works for GM 3800's, no other applications.

[SRT Brian]

Nice!. Any idea on times?

[sr240]

you can definatly tell the cam is bigger.. look at the clostest lobe.. ay bigger.. it looks real good man.. i like it..

[Ryfly05]

Thanks guys. As far as times, I dont know, probly high 12's on street tires and mid 12's on slicks. Still not that fast, but it should be fun. Its pretty good for these cars non I/C'd. They love to detonate even from the factory. Now I could really use a ported blower and bigger throttle body to take full advantage of the cam. That probly wont happen this year though. My plan for this year, hopefully before the track opens, is to get bigger injectors, and slicks, and hopefully get a good tune on it.

[GetawayInMoscow]

12's on street tires out of a FWD is pretty damn fast.

How wide of tires can you run up front?

[SOMTA]

ryan would know better than me but I think the max size we can do on the gp's is a high 200/30 or so. with enough suspension work the take off pretty good with little wheel spin. fastest GTP cuts a better 60 foot than the fastest evo, unless the evo has gotten faster, haven't looked into it in a while.

Is even a guy down in cali that regularly out launches rwd cars and after his initial jump they give up. if they knew to go above 100 they could pull on him up top. With Ryans cam it should help out the weak spot on the cars, the top end.

[94blueGSX]

Nice work man. God I wish I had access to a lift.

[Ryfly05]

Well its been a little slow going yesterday and today. I bought new LS1 style retainers for my LS6 valve springs, but they didnt fit right, so I put my stock retainers on the new springs, and thought all was well. I was wrong. It wouldve eventually broken some springs with that setup. So luckily, camp chevy had some GM LS style retainers, so I bought those and they worked. That was a half day set back right there, running all over town and re-changing the retainers. At least I caught it now, and not when a spring broke and sent a valve through a piston. The car would've been done today if it wasnt for that. It will be done for sure tomorrow.

Pic of stock retainer vs the bad ones I got. You can see the valve tip doesnt stick up at all. Obviously not right. Stock retainer would've eventually led to spring failure because of too low installed height.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/Retainer4.jpg

Heres pics of the rest of the progress the last 2 days:

New rollmaster double roller vs stock:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0402.jpg

Its kinda hard to see, but the rollmaster has one extra set of teeth and links:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0403.jpg

New cam and timing chain installed and timed:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0405.jpg

Everything minus balancer installed:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0414.jpg

Everything installed, engine cradle bolted back up, and my new shiny rotor!
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0421.jpg

After that is when I got the new retainers, and I forgot the camera when I came back. Car is currently back on the ground, and all that is left to do is the top side of the motor. No left over bolts yet either! :D It will definately be done tomorrow!!

[sr240]

nice man.. good work.. that wud have sucked to drop a valve

[Ryfly05]

Well its done in case you didnt see my other thread earlier today. I figure I'll keep everything in the same thread. It runs and sounds great!

Heres what it looked like this morning:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0437.jpg

Lower intake and valve covers back on:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0439.jpg

Everything set and ready to go!
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0440.jpg

Uploading new basic tune:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Ryfly05/100_0441.jpg

And finally the video!! I know its extremely crappy, but the sound came out pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuBjPTtTJrE

Not bad for a 3.8 V6 eh?? :cool:

[QWIKRNU]

That sounds great! Not bad at all for a 3.8.

[SRT Brian]

WOW!! im very impressed! what kind of exhaust you running? Hows the power?

[Ryfly05]

:D<-- Thats been the look on my face all day! lol. Im running headers, no cat, and STOCK cat-back minus resonator. The power is great!! I lost about 3 lbs of boost, and it still pulls harder, especially up top! Cant wait to switch pulleys and get that boost back!

[a1320honda]

Now just pull the supercharger off and put a nice turbo on it. At the same boost, youll make waaaay more power. I really do like the GTPs. I want a 2 door. But i love how they sound with a turbo....kinda bpu supra-ish.

YouTube - dyno tuning with the turbo GTP

FUCKING SICK!!!!
YouTube - 10 Sec Turbo Grand Prix GTP

[smoke20]

That is awesome, i cant wait to hear it in person and I bet it sounds killer WOT:eek:

[sr240]

sounds awsome.. good work man..

[Ryfly05]

Thanks guys!

Now just pull the supercharger off and put a nice turbo on it. At the same boost, youll make waaaay more power. I really do like the GTPs. I want a 2 door. But i love how they sound with a turbo....kinda bpu supra-ish.


Well its too late to go turbo now lol. This cam would not work well with a turbo at all. Way too much overlap. I kinda like being s/c'd anyways. Dont really know why, since they dont make that great of power, but its just different I guess. You should get a GTP and turbo it! Then we can race! I think Andrew (somta) wants to turbo his later on.

[SOMTA]

Thanks guys!



Well its too late to go turbo now lol. This cam would not work well with a turbo at all. Way too much overlap. I kinda like being s/c'd anyways. Dont really know why, since they dont make that great of power, but its just different I guess. You should get a GTP and turbo it! Then we can race! I think Andrew (somta) wants to turbo his later on.

Depending on how funds work out can buy the basic kit that ZZP sells.

The supercharger vs turbo is kind of funny on the cars. The turbo will make more hp but run the same times as a supercharged gtp with a set up like Ryans with a few less ponies. Either way you can't really go wrong with how you mod it. I guess with a really beefed up supercharged system they tend to eat the trannies about once a year. :(

[Gsolo]

...a V6 that sounds good !!

looking forward to see you run this year

[Greycobra_03]

Nope :D But damn that's a lot of work for 12s. All I'd have to do is change out my rear or less. Hell, I can do it now, I just can't drive. People have ran 12.8 with stock M5s. Shows how much I suck hahaha

You want 12 in your rear? Maybe I read it wrong...