Curious.... H22 Turbo Manifold wanted

[lostkuase]

Okay im giving this a shot, since i cant find it online for the price i want. Also possibly considering the options i can take a b series and cut the flange and have my buddy tig weld it with argon, to an h series exhaust mounting flange.

Im looking to buy an Lovefab, Full race, or possibly peak boost Turbo manifold for an H22 motor, if its the lovefab im more into the idea of the mini me, due to the fact i might be able to keep accesories etc. and with my setup its a tight fit.

Also if anyone has done some diy manifolds, i might be curious just need to physically see it so i cant determine if ill run it. More into the top mount as well as long as its done correctly.

All i ever find are the b series "badboy" manifolds not h's and i dont like logs, nor that crappy wannabe boost capable stainless steel material ebay stuff.
thanks again guys and gals,
Wolfpack Racing

p.s. prefer 304 stainless with tig welded with assistance of argon gas, for best welds. Thanks

[97GSX]

Spend the money and get the real thing. Otherwise you are just cutting corners and your performance is very likely to suffer.

[HPI Performance]

its not worth rigging it trust me. If i recall the h22 exhaust ports are slightly wider than b series but i could be wrong on that. If you want top mount then break out your wallet cause there not cheap. if this is Austin which i think it is, for what your building unless your looking for 500+ hp just go with a cheaper tubular manifold that's bottom mount. if i had to choose between hacking together something or just buying a less name brand manifold then i would go for a cheaper manifold. If you have the cash and are looking for a good top mount get a hold of Reid at KS in Kenniwick the add above is linked, he is your best bet for a high quality piece. you will prob spend more money on modding a different manifold and dealing with any issues than just springing for a real one. my .02 cents anyway.

[2bad]

you could always check out how much a fully custom one would cost from somone who is capable.. I'm not really that good at this stuff but just an idea.

[97GSX]

its not worth rigging it trust me. If i recall the h22 exhaust ports are slightly wider than b series but i could be wrong on that.

Correct. It's really not worth going through the troble.....just pony up and buy the real thing. Lemme know if you find a nice one for a good deal...I think I want one too heheheh

[a1320honda]

Something that you H and F series guys can check into, is DSM manifolds are almost excactly the same head flange. So keep that in mind while looking for manifolds for the H and F stuff. And vice versa.

Oh, and you CANNOT use a B manifold and cut the flange off for an H series. The runners are different lengths apart. It wont work. If your wanting to do it right, just spend the money. I just got my $1500 manifold from AFI, and after looking it over, id now never use a cheap manifold for anything i was tryin to be serious with. I can tell that this manifold will never give me any problems, and if it does, its lifetime warrantied. Its been my experience that theres a reason why you pay more for stuff....its usualy better quiality. I used to bitch about Full-Race stuff being so expensive and not worth it, but pick up a quality manifold and you understand.

[Evosol]

yup... two things i'd prefer not to skimp out on, quality crafted manifold and solid fuel mangement.

[lostkuase]

cody, your right, im going big, all my internals are top dollar, however ive come into medical complications lately, cigarettes are killers man, i never wish i would have started. im low on cash due to doctor visits, my insurance is now fully used up, and im left budgeting on my build when all i want is 600 hp on 1 dyno pull, and 450 for the track. my g-ma spotted me the cash for my safety regs, and im more than likely going to buy from Lovefab, because i love their weld quality, ive actually held the same manifold i want in my hands, and sold her to cover doctor bills, and now im left scratching my head praying one comes across me for fairly cheap, they are great manifolds, and warrantied as well, the one i want/need because ill still be able to retain power steering is 599$ not too bad, as steve said it costs alot for the best right? well i was on that track til the doc got paid 8k after my insurance of 15k ran out... agh...
any help is appreciated.
cody, i went big bro. motor is great, the turbo stuff is what is killing me. so... unfortunatly i might be just built to handle turbo stuff, but not turboed for breaking in, and saving up hard core til i can buy piece by piece everything i need.
kaizenspeed told me if i go the route part by part im planning on using, i will see a 580-650 hp number depending on tune.... agh...

[lostkuase]

a1320 honda~ I thought dsm only works on f22? or f23? (matches phus accord motor) I held my gasket to the manifold and bolt pattern didnt match whatsoever however on his accord they do?. Plus, ive helped out on working on some, dont they crack fairly easily? im planning on 30-40 lbs of boost durability but 20-25 max ill be running, and at start ill hit 12-15 till i get used to speed again. Ive been daily driving in my d series forever now, and ricks car got my heart thriving for the adrenaline rush again. My hands shake at the thought of slamming gears faster than ive had to in my life..

Thanks guys for the consideration. Im more than likely going to call up some credit cards companys,

CANT GO 99% ONLY TO STOP AT THAT LAST 1%

[HPI Performance]

you should post some pics, who sleeved the block ?

[Evosol]

When you got to borrow from grandma, thats fucking hard up man! LoL...

[a1320honda]

IM not sure...i saw an H22 in Portland a couple years back and i noticed the OEM 2G manifold bolted to the H22 head and the guys said it atook about 5 minutes of reaming out a couple holes for it to fit. And ive seem stuff around on H-T about the same thing. Maybe im wrong, just something to keep in mind. And the 2G manifolds are prone to craking since their cast iron, but for the price and as well as they flow its not a bad deal.

[GetawayInMoscow]

Why not sell it all and boost a B-series?

Any extra power you will make with the H22 will be offset by the shitty tranny. If you are H2Bing than you are now in K-series territory....

[lostkuase]

im tired will post some soon

[lostkuase]

dang i was sure i had the head pics on this comp, must be on other, well ill do that tomorrow guys, signing out.

[sr240]

have you looked on h-t.. theres manifolds all over..

[sr240]

heres one..
FS: Custom H22 Tubular manifold Downpipe - Honda-Tech (http://www.hondamarketplace.com/showthread.php?t=2476501)

[lostkuase]

after getting a credit card- i took codys HPI PERFORMANCE advice and got an ebay kit. Just a road race car for out at srp for saturdays, or sundays. i cant wait to play with the corvettes on the turns should be fun.

Thanks guys for the help. Managed to get a deal on it all. really nice quality even came with a fan and radiator!
take care.


its good having people that have owned thier own tuning shop around to guide you in the right direction. Im happy the world still has nice people like that!

[lostkuase]

have been told by two friends that the tuning makes all the difference? Cody you still doing that stuff? With all this power im going to be making, im going to need it tuned. decided also that since im road racing it ill need my wing back on too. Im thinking that the downforce will help through the turns. Does anyone know if it will or not? Thanks

[lostkuase]

cody i was curious, after the turbo kit arrives what else should i get? What type of boost controllers would be good? Should i run anti lag? Ive heard good things about them so far. are they really that good to have? any cons to them?

[a1320honda]

Anti-lag is for drag racing. And if your going to be making more than 300hp at a road course your definatly gonna need a gear based boost controller. And an Ebay turbo kit is gonna be ok for short burts down the drag strip, but, tryin to road race a turbo honda with cheap parts leads to premature failure. I dont think you realize how hot underhood temps can get on a July day out there. If your seriously wanting to road race, id prolly stear clear of the turbo stuff and concentrate more on a healthy suspension setup. And to be honest, if your sticking an H in the front of a civic...expect some serious understeer problems. H motors weigh around 200+ lbs more than an average B series. I can put a single cam in my civic with my suspension setup that on it now and run circles around your turbo H civic. Road racing is all about weight balance and the distribution on a H civic is usualy around 70\30 which is NO GOOD for road racing. Now im sure your gonna argue about things youve read here and there, but to be honest, ive been around drag racing and road racing for a long time, and i go to the open track days and the club days for the road course and you will NEVER see a civic out there with an H in for road racing. Basicly....you cannot have a fast drag honda and a road course honda in the same car. Ive tried. Especialy with an H. Go on Honda-Tech and post a question about road course racing with an H in a civic and your gonna get told by everyone that your wastin your time. Build one car or another....either a drag car, or a road course car, but honestly, id stay away from an H in either route you go. Trannys are garbage for the H and the H to B kit is pretty spendy but it is an option. OK, im done rambling.

[GetawayInMoscow]

I'm not 100% sure...and I'm not posting to try to prove Steve wrong, but I THINK and H22 swap is only 75 LBS more than a B-swap. I'm going to go look up the info on Honda-Tech now.

As for a road race car. Road racing plus turbo is usually a bad idea. Like Steve said the hot July temps + constantly being above 6,000 RPM (maybe not on an H22) is going to be a bad idea. Not to mention H22's have shitty weak sleeves.

Like Steve said, your best bet would be to focus on suspension. Go watch some NSX-R vids on youtube...you can see that even though the NSX is underpowered it can brake so much later and also enter turns so much faster that on really windy courses it can keep up with higher HP cars no problem.

Also I don't know if you have ever driven a turbo FWD, but they make WAY TOO MUCH torque for a FWD that is going to be turning. Not saying there aren't a lot of good drivers out there with turbo Hondas, but IMO it's not the way to go on a road race car.

Bottom line: you could make 500whp but I promise a good driver in a bone stock ITR on R compound tires is going to put the hurt on you big time at the track, with 330 less whp.

[GetawayInMoscow]

In this thread:
To settle the H22 Vs B Series Weight Arguement I bring you this... (pics) - Honda-Tech (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=684550)

The guy points out that the weight difference of the block and tranny is only 35 lbs. If you read on the last page the guy says the difference on a crate between the H22 and a B-series is 120 lbs or so.....he then goes on to say that with all the accesories you would most likely not have + a lightweight clutch and flywheel you can save 70 lbs.

Even at 120 lbs difference...you can easily pull 50-70 of that off with battery relocation and a header.

[2bad]

should be fun to see when its done. hah i from what andy said the cf hood on your car used to be on mine.. man that hood has made its rounds.. maybe it'll enjoy having a turbo under it!

[lostkuase]

heres what i have done,
the car has been to the frame shop countless times,
we have also weighed front and back ratios i have since than lightened everything i could to EQUAL the stock ratios of front to back. By the way im actually lighter than a stock civic, im still front heavy YES. However i have made the improvements needed for the civics suspension upgraded sway bar, bushings, endlinks, coilovers with equal distribuition f and r, camber kits pro +-5 degrees there is much more done.
now for the lightening, lost almost 3 lbs on hood, not much i know but keep up,
deleted abs,- for sissys anyways... lol i wish i could have kept it :) -15lbs
deleted a/c
a/c lines,
relocated battery inside car,
relocated brake lines inside car, with proportioning valve sitting mounted on srs unit's old spot.
srs deleted,
sound dampining material removed (42lbs omg!!!) black shit under your carpet
carpet removed
gsr brakes all the way around.
eg6 1inch piston brake booster vs 15/16 stock
every stut bar is titanium
lsd adds wieght, so does my driveshaft shop stage 5 axles. p.s. i didnt get an ebay turbo kit, a buddy of mine sold his complete h setup to me for 1200 and its 44 mil wastegate, godzilla bov, 2.5 stainless piping, sus321 turbo manifold, and well... i think its a good deal. I told him about some stuff happening and he took it off and sold to me (his setup made 630 to the wheels dynoed. :)
Thanks nick!! (seattle friend that has been helping me build this.) nice guy rode in his green civic h22t last year the night of hin, and it scared me in 4th gear.

[lostkuase]

Anyone have any ideas? Im almost contemplating building my own one piece front end based off a stock mold. (did it with my maverick), i feel that it might lighten everything up quite a bit, as well as eliminating my shock tower areas and running a tube front end. not sure, either way i can do it, just involves alot of time at the frame shop. and weve already been there 13 times. our frame is reinforced as well as having a 8 point roll cage.
p.s. lowering your car on cut springs is the wrong idea! on civics it will ruin your frame real quick.

[a1320honda]

I demand pics of everything!!!!

[GetawayInMoscow]

I want to see pics too

[sr240]

x3..........

[lostkuase]

my deadline is may 11th. hopefully everyone will have some fun at the track

[HPI Performance]

when did you do the cage? i just seen the car and i couldn't see one?

[a1320honda]

I think i might have to raise the BS flag.

[HPI Performance]

HELLO? why did you stop responding?

[Northwest outlaw]

you guys ran him off :)

[GetawayInMoscow]

He's probably trying to figure out how to straighten his frame after lowering his car LOL

[BlackMagic]

He's probably trying to figure out how to straighten his frame after lowering his car LOL

Yeah, thats almost as funny as someone installing the headgasket backwards and finishing the engine build and starting the car...then wondering what happened...right Milan?

[BlackMagic]

Seriously though. Some of this stuff is funny...First you have Cody with a time in his sig that he "thinks" he ran...and then Milan giving a someone shit for not knowing EVERYTHING about a Honda.

Give the guy a break. We were all there once...shit, I had a bone stock mkIII Jetta with a body kit and 18's when I started.

[GetawayInMoscow]

Yeah, thats almost as funny as someone installing the headgasket backwards and finishing the engine build and starting the car...then wondering what happened...right Milan?

Hey I figured it out! And the headgasket wasn't backwards, it was upside down, that's why half of it still lined up properly.

Edit: It's not that I didn't know what I was doing, it's just that I was in a hurry and working on my car all day to try and get it to the track the next day. I put the headgasket on at 1am and I didn't look to make sure every hole lined up properly.

[GetawayInMoscow]

Oh and Reid some of us don't have $80,000 into our Civic like you do, apparently you only know it all once your car costs as much as a house.

[BlackMagic]

I am a long way from knowing it all...believe me.

And it's 80,000 over 8 years...so thats only $10,000 per year...














...uh, I think im gonna throw up lol

[sr240]

o well.. if you could do it again would you have done it different??

[HPI Performance]

Seriously though. Some of this stuff is funny...First you have Cody with a time in his sig that he "thinks" he ran...and then Milan giving a someone shit for not knowing EVERYTHING about a Honda.

Give the guy a break. We were all there once...shit, I had a bone stock mkIII Jetta with a body kit and 18's when I started.



Wow i was being nice i was asking a simple question and not being a dick at all, in fact i believe i was giving him some helpful advise. WTF is this about my time "i think i ran" yeah i openly admit i don't have a slip but when you go to the tower cause there printer didn't work and they say 11.6 i walk outside and hear from numerous people the same thing. FORGIVE ME FOR POSTING IT!!! i didn't know it was so "funny" to you. GOD DAMN!!! what did i ever do to you? let me edit to the time i have a slip for which is 11.8....E.T. police here.

... I usually don't get pissed about this kind of stuff but for some reason this really pisses me off that you find it necessary to post that. next time you have any thing you would like to call bs on about me try giving me a call and lets work it out!!!!

don't get me wrong here Reid i appreciate everything you have done for the track but in my opinion that was uncalled for.

[2bad]

I honestly dont see what any of this has to do with the origional post.. Also, on a side note, time slips really don't prove anything. You could easily pick up a time slip from another person or car, so if you dont have one its no different than having one but a slip of paper saying a car hit that time. unless you have a picture of your car with the number writen on the car aswell as the slip.

[sr240]

I honestly dont see what any of this has to do with the origional post.. Also, on a side note, time slips really don't prove anything. You could easily pick up a time slip from another person or car, so if you dont have one its no different than having one but a slip of paper saying a car hit that time. unless you have a picture of your car with the number writen on the car aswell as the slip.

are you fucking stupid or something?? the time slip means everything.. its what yo have to prove what you ran..

[BoostedAWD]

Im new to this site and i think its funny how some people come on here and just talk about a bunch of stuff they have done to there car when in reality its probably sitting at home bone stock.Also Cody would have no reason to lie saying 11.6 instead of 11.8 lol point is his car was fast and alot of people saw it including myself the night he ran the time.

[sr240]

and who are you?? it takes 100 posts for any one to care what you have to say..

[BoostedAWD]

A few people know me on here but not many i have a white 97 gsx cody eric and a few others will know.im also the one who traded that rhd to 2bad

[QWIKRNU]

Oh great! Another white 2g. Is yours slow like the rest of them? j/k

[BoostedAWD]

It was when i got it lol had boost leaks like crazy and some other stuff but cody and eric are working on it right now i should have it back by this weekend and it should be alot faster lol lets hope.

[QWIKRNU]

What mods are they doing? Are you going to bring it to the track?

[BoostedAWD]

just the usual dsm upgrades 16g turbo evo injectors walbro fuel pump with rewire dsm link fmic boost controller and doing new headgasket timing belt and all other gaskets.Thats what im hoping for i want to have it dialed in perfect for the races to have some fun.

[QWIKRNU]

cool, I'll have to check it out at the track.

[HPI Performance]

Thanks Andy i appreciate that. its really not that big of a deal i guess. I maybe let it get to me more than i should have but screw it. Its just you work hard to make your car fast and you have every right to be proud of it, oh well i guess the proven 11.80 is good enough lol.

[BoostedAWD]

Your welcome i still can't believe how quick that del sol was when i rode in it i still think you should have traded me for my old eclipse lol and yeah 11.6 out of your setup was hella quick i miss that car

[BlackMagic]

Don't get all pissy Cody. It was nothing personal, just give the newb a break. We are all trying to enjoy the same sport.

As far as times go...yeah, it bugs me when I see someone post a time without anything to back it up. It goes back to my F-TOONing days and the 8 sec Talon.

I ran 11.08 last year and shut the car down early...does that mean I can guess at an 10.20 cause it felt fast? Like I said, dont take offense...its just something that rubs me wrong.

[HPI Performance]

i understand that and i guess i know what you mean however i got that time directly from the tower as well as many spectators so i personally believe that it was justified but we can all have our different views. what really pissed me off is that i didn't say anything that was mean or rude to laustkause, i started out by giving him some advise on the manifold. he then said he had a cage. i had just seen the car the night before and was honestly curious if i had missed it. you picked on me and milan for giving him shit yet it was steve who raised the BS flag (no offense Steve lol) so once again i don't see where i was giving him a hard time. and i know all about people who just say that they ran xx.xx ET and nobody seen it. I still have new people who come up to me and say they seen that run. I didn't just run 11.8 and then magically pull the 11.6 out of nowhere. i don't really care anymore im stoked about the 11.8 and i guess that's good enough. 2 tenths of a second are not worth arguing over i know what my car ran and those who choose to believe it can.

[lostkuase]

update: went off subject but all good. First off cody ran 11.6 i was one of the peeps telling him what they announced when the printers failed.
second- sold the kit, had more crap to pay, this time crap that came up outta no where and while i was at it i paid some issues i had with my credit off.
Brake lines became a friggin hassle, rerouted everything into original locations as its more accesible to work on. had to make a couple new lines couldnt find the old ones?
Everything is going well, need a job just like the other millions out there, 2k is all i figure needed for being able to wait for track to open, other than that still at the drawing board doing swaps for locals etc. Sorry bout no pics, at the time when i stated " youll see her real soon", i was actually almost completed. 5 items remaining, turbo crap, seats tune, slicks, possibly traction bar.
talk to ya guys later