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LaserGuidedBunnyRabbit
09-30-2006, 01:25 AM
Most of you probably wont remember me, so I'll start from the beginning. It's a long story.

In April of 2005, I was in the market for a used car, around $3000. Mostly what I was looking for was something sporty, RWD, and full of potential. I was poking through the Wheel Deals like I did every week, and came across a listing for a "91 Toyota MR2. Needs TLC. $3000." I called the seller, and he told me it was a turbo. From that moment I was sold. A turbo for $3000 was a rare thing to be had. I was 17 at the time, still under the wing of my parents. I begged for an entire day to buy it. Finally, my mother caved in, and we struck a deal for $2700.

Instantly, my mother had her doubts. As I left the seller's Brown's Edition house, black smoke poured out the exhaust as I accelerated. I limped it home, with next to no power. Regardless, I was still giddy as a school girl about it. I ordered a used Air Flow Meter, which it needed, off of mr2oc.com. After installing, the car barely squeezed through emissions. It was enough to register the car, so it made me happy.

The next day, I got to drive my nice new car to school. Or so I thought. What happend next was the beginning of the first nightmare. As I was headed down Market, the car shut off. I looked down at the dash, and the temperature is through the roof. I look in my mirror, and steam is making it's way out of the engine bay. I called a tow truck, and sent it off to Appleway. Four visits and $1000 later, I had a new timing belt, coolant, and temperature sensor. On the fifth time I brought it back overheated, they told me they were going to start charging more. I took it home and swapped out the radiator and every hose clamp there was. But still, nothing.

All that was left was the headgasket. It was at this point that I hit up Greycobra_03 for the use of his Hillyard mansion garage. Considering he is the most awesome person in the world, he spent the day with me dropping the engine. When we got it out, we determined that the head needs to come off. He immediately turned to me and said "I don't have the tools for that. You need to take it somewhere."

During this time, like an idiot, I tracked oil foot prints all over his carpet. Something I am still embarassed about to this day.

A couple days later, we found ntrcptr90, or Ben at Spokane Auto Care. We loaded the engine on to the back of a truck, and drove it down. We then rented a trailer and lowered the MR2 from a 4-point lift to jackstands sitting on a trailer. We then crawled at 3 mph getting to the shop, and pulled the MR2 off of the trailer with another lift. Ben pulled the headgasket, and found it not blown, but unbelieveably clogged with stop leak.

$800 later, the engine is reassembled and mounted, and towed back to my house to finish the job. After putting everything else back together, it worked. It just plain worked. I drove the hell out of it. I took it to the track the next weekend and ran a 14.86 on my first ever 1/4 Mile. On a trip down to the Tri-Cities, I hit 136 mph, and make the drive in an hour and a half. I blasted through Montana's open highways at 120 mph.

The car had been put together in June. Now it was August. I was 18, had graduated high school, and in a few weeks was off to Pullman. Yet, a couple weeks before, the clutch began to slip. I parked it right away, ordered a new clutch, and finished putting it in the day before I left. That night, something went wrong. The car would violently rattle every time you left from a stop. I didn't have time to deal with it. I parked it and didn't return until next May.

Come May 2006. I'm back in Spokane, and working five days a week. I spend another week repairing the clutch slave cylinder, and find a couple stripped holes in the transmission. I drop the transmission for a third time, and use a heli-coil on it. Problem solved.. for now. A few weeks later, the clutch begins to act up again. Chattering at different times, and rattling on launch. Then, at one point, I'm coming to a stop, and push the clutch in, when I hear *snap* and the car dies. I use the starter to get it moving, and drive home in second gear.

The clutch had eaten itself alive. I ordered a stock one to replace it, and drop the transmission a 4th time. After putting it in, the car wont even leave gear. I couldn't take it anymore. For the first time in 7 years, I broke down, and cried. It wasn't over money, a girl, or a family member. Nope, it was over a car. I had poured blood, sweat, and finally tears into the car. None of it was enough.

I once again got it over to Spokane Auto Care. Much credit goes to them, Ben especially. The car was there for a month, and the bill came out to a very, very discounted $1000. I knew there was more wrong with it. The clutch did not engage properly. Adjusted all of the way out, it would still disengage barely off of the floor.

I was headed for Pullman again, and this time, completely disconnecting myself from Spokane. It came time to sell it. Once I took it home, it went right into craigslist, Wheel Deals, and the Spokesman Review. I would get one or two calls a day for the first week. Interest was fairly strong. Unfortunately the car was in worse shape than most were expecting. I was asking $3500 for the car. There were some very nice people who checked it out, and some incredibly rude people aswell. After three weeks, I finally had a buyer, who was planning to swap out the motor.

Unfortunately, the title had never been transferred over to my name. My mother had lost the title at the wrong time. We had to wait four and a half weeks for the new title to arrive. This was just last Saturday. Now that the title was in, I was ready to relist the car for another go. Before I did, I got a call from Montana on Wednesday. A kid was interested in the car, and wanted to come see it. I arranged to be in town on Friday (yesterday) and meet him.

As I was coming into town, I was trying my best to beat them there. I gave the car a jumpstart and it fired right up. I gave them a call and we arranged to meet at a McDonald's. I got three miles away from home, and I looked in my mirror, and all I could see was white steam. I pulled over, called my mother, and had her come pick me up. At this point I wanted to scream. I was going to be stuck with another potentially huge repair bill.

I had to call the kid and tell him something. It took me a while to think of what, but I finally called and told him that a hose must have snapped off on the way over. I asked if he was still interested in seeing the car. I expected a no, but received a yes. I drove down to meet them, and took them back to where the MR2 was sitting. This kid and his dad fit the Montana stereotype perfectly. Huge diesel truck with two year old dirt and just about every tool you'll ever need in the back scattered around. The dad was a blue collar looking man, and the kid had baggy clothes, a backwards cap, lip ring, and no muscle.

To my surprise, they were still very interested in the car. The dad pulled a flashlight out, and spotted the loose hose. He told us he wanted to go to wal-mart and pick up a clamp and some anti-freeze. I limped it there, and we went to pick up the goods. As we came to the checkstand, I pulled out my wallet to pay. He refused. This is when I knew my day was going to turn around completely.

In the parking lot of the Wal-Mart, on a Friday night, we clamped the hose down, and topped off the coolant. I got it home, and we took care of the paperwork, after he handed me $3000 in cash. I gave them the keys, said good bye, and watched him struggle with the clutch on his way out.

Just as I was headed back down to Pullman, I get a phone call. The dad called me and said he didn't even make it out of town. I gave him all the advice I could, and wished him luck. An hour later, he called my mom, asking if he could possibly get his money back. She refused.

I'm incredibly excited to be done with the car. However, I feel completely terrible that it has broken down on them. I can't help but feel that it's my fault. I knew I was going to be selling a lemon, but I had hoped they'd make it home first. Now they're stuck with a broken car on a weekend, over 150 miles from home.

Mostly I'm glad this chapter of my life is over. No more sports cars for me.

Another big thanks goes out to Ben at Spokane Auto Care, and Adrian. You guys were awesome and your help is not unappreciated.

BOOGEYMAN
09-30-2006, 04:22 AM
Wow you must have been really bored last night.

ntrcptr90
09-30-2006, 07:24 AM
Thank god that car is gone. Once you get something else you'll get some excitement back.

Silver R/T
09-30-2006, 10:19 AM
quite a diary there, glad you got rid of the car, what are your plans now? At least you put all work into it, so it's not like you ripped him off

LaserGuidedBunnyRabbit
09-30-2006, 12:03 PM
quite a diary there, glad you got rid of the car, what are your plans now? At least you put all work into it, so it's not like you ripped him off
I have a '92 Camry now, which gets me around. I'm not even going to replace the stock headunit. It's not a good idea to go for anything during college. After graduation I'll be looking for something new to drive.

4STFED
09-30-2006, 05:03 PM
Sounds like that MR2 was cursed to begin with. Dont give up on the sports car drean just yet. Youll find something better to get excited over...just dont buy a DSM :-)

Silver R/T
09-30-2006, 06:16 PM
Didnt have any problems with eclipse we had...till meth head crashed head-on into it.

KryptoSol
09-30-2006, 10:35 PM
wow... It makes me feel quite lucky that ive almost made it through college with no "major" probs with my turbo car.

I sure know how you must have felt though... I was almost ready to sell off everything last year.

Greycobra_03
10-01-2006, 11:24 AM
This just makes me glad to get it out of my shop lol. Sorry I couldn't do more for you... stupid MR2s :)

LaserGuidedBunnyRabbit
10-01-2006, 12:39 PM
They're still stuck in town with it. A local 'mechanic' is feeding them lies. However the buyers are being very nice, and I am being as sympathetic as I can.
I really could not have anticipated the problem that happend with the car, as it is unrelated to the problems it had in the past.

The bill of sale explicity stated that the car is being sold as-is. Would anyone have an idea if a legal case could be brought up?

LaserGuidedBunnyRabbit
10-01-2006, 12:41 PM
This just makes me glad to get it out of my shop lol. Sorry I couldn't do more for you... stupid MR2s :)
You did a whole lot more than I could ever ask for. I am just as relieved as you that I got it out of your garage.

Silver R/T
10-01-2006, 12:47 PM
They're still stuck in town with it. A local 'mechanic' is feeding them lies. However the buyers are being very nice, and I am being as sympathetic as I can.
I really could not have anticipated the problem that happend with the car, as it is unrelated to the problems it had in the past.

The bill of sale explicity stated that the car is being sold as-is. Would anyone have an idea if a legal case could be brought up?


I heard that if you buy used car from dealer you have rights to have it returned/repaired if something goes wrong with it in first week. Im not sure how correct it is and if it applies only to dealers and private party or not.

4STFED
10-01-2006, 02:50 PM
I don?t think there are grounds for a legal case given the current circumstances - especially if no warranty was expressed or implied.

On the flip side of the coin, lets say three out of four wheels only had one lug nut and a the wheels came off while going 80mph; or that the breaks gave out while driving down a steep hill; etc, and the new owner was involved in an accident as a result then maybe I would be concerned.

Just my 0.02

JEFFRO
10-03-2006, 01:01 PM
Didnt have any problems with eclipse we had...till meth head crashed head-on into it.


Yea I hear those dsm's have bad CRANK problems lol j/k

4STFED
10-03-2006, 01:09 PM
Hey now...Only the 7 bolt cranks are known to 'walk'. I would never own a 2nd GEN POS...no offence to those late model DSMers :-) J/K I envy their exterior styling but I would never give up my helicopter type cockpit...

sefus
10-03-2006, 01:39 PM
Is there an emoticacon for a joke going over someones head?

Kolat
10-03-2006, 02:56 PM
Nothing they could do. Kid who bought my old red car tried to sue me due to him blowing it up by running 30psi and spray on pump gas. Judge laughed at them and said next case. Still wasted a couple hours of my day though.

T

GetawayInMoscow
10-03-2006, 10:01 PM
Hey now...Only the 7 bolt cranks are known to 'walk'. I would never own a 2nd GEN POS...no offence to those late model DSMers :-) J/K I envy their exterior styling but I would never give up my helicopter type cockpit...


Umm arent like all 93+ (or something like that) DSM's 7 bolt cranks?

RA1D3R
10-03-2006, 10:14 PM
fuck that its there problem now. When i sold my black prelude the kid bitched and told me he was going to give the car back because the AC was out and the passenger side window wouldn't roll down plus some other stupid shit. I said ummm no you can't just give it back i already spent the money on another car.

We had a notary so it was all legit and they couldn't back out of anything both parties signed w/ a bank witness. I hope you did the same.

JEFFRO
10-04-2006, 02:53 PM
Is there an emoticacon for a joke going over someones head?


No kidding

BOOGEYMAN
10-04-2006, 03:39 PM
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4STFED
10-04-2006, 04:00 PM
Umm arent like all 93+ (or something like that) DSM's 7 bolt cranks?


Its mainly the 2nd gen 7bolts made from 95-99 that are prone to walk.

Magnus has a rather lengthy article that explains their theory. Good read:
http://www.magnusmotorsports.com/tech/crankwalk.htm

Kolat
10-06-2006, 10:37 AM
I crankwalked my 7 bolt 94 NT :-p

T

flyinhigh842
10-10-2006, 01:05 PM
This just makes me glad to get it out of my shop lol. Sorry I couldn't do more for you... stupid MR2s :)


hey hey hey dont be raggin on the MR2's. Best damn sports car in my mind. The call them the poor mans ferrarri for a reason. Ive had mine for 4 years now, fun to drive, fast as hell, and style that was way before its time...

I would die if i had to sell mine, so i understand the heartbreak. The first time you felt the turbo spool and it set you in your seat will always be in the back of your mind, im sure. I was 16 when i got mine, now almost 20 its all that i know, or all that i care to know. I know these cars inside and out, i just wish i would have read this thread earlier so i might have had the chance to buy it. So if you want to drive mine your welcome to.

So no more dissing MR2's!!??LoL

-Bryan
FlyinHigh842@msn.com

JEFFRO
10-10-2006, 01:25 PM
M R POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO:P

Greycobra_03
10-10-2006, 01:30 PM
Seeing that motor out of the car brings back shudders that I would like to forget... what a POS. Sorry...

flyinhigh842
10-10-2006, 01:42 PM
you guys suck..... LoL j/k

LaserGuidedBunnyRabbit
10-15-2006, 11:54 AM
hey hey hey dont be raggin on the MR2's. Best damn sports car in my mind. The call them the poor mans ferrarri for a reason. Ive had mine for 4 years now, fun to drive, fast as hell, and style that was way before its time...

I would die if i had to sell mine, so i understand the heartbreak. The first time you felt the turbo spool and it set you in your seat will always be in the back of your mind, im sure. I was 16 when i got mine, now almost 20 its all that i know, or all that i care to know. I know these cars inside and out, i just wish i would have read this thread earlier so i might have had the chance to buy it. So if you want to drive mine your welcome to.

So no more dissing MR2's!! LoL

-Bryan
FlyinHigh842@msn.com
You're bringing back memories of when I felt the turbo for the first time. Holy shit is all I had to say. If you would have asked me six months ago, I would have said no way in hell would I let that car go.

In seven years, between school, girls, and broken bones, nothing had brought tears to my eyes until the frustration that was this car had come. I have other ambitions, and so I need to put this hobby on the side for now.


Seeing that motor out of the car brings back shudders that I would like to forget... what a POS. Sorry...
My apologies for the bad memories. You did more than I could have dreamed of asking for at that point. And it wasn't wasted, either. After being put back together, that car was an absolute blast. It was a part of the reason why the Summer of 2005 was the best summer of my life.

The buyer has called four times now. A week after the sale, his car was still stuck in Spokane. Poor guy. He is insistent on finding out who had done the work on the car. There is no way I'm going to let him bother Ben and his coworkers. As I just found out, Spokane Auto Care has done a ton of engine work for my family, dating back to when I was a baby. Really awesome work they do.

And what an awesome PM that was Bryan. I'm giving Ben, Bryan, and Adrian all lifetime passes to drive my Lamborghini as soon as I get it. You guys rock.

Greycobra_03
10-15-2006, 12:18 PM
:) I call first flaming lambo off the bridge for youtube video!

MustangGirl
10-15-2006, 01:27 PM
I do believe selling a lemon is illegal. Hell, I would have really bugged the person who sold it to me in the first place because it sounds as if it was a lemon to begin with. I wouldn't have been able to sell it to someone like that even though I would have been desperate to get rid of it. How do you sleep at night? :P

Greycobra_03
10-16-2006, 08:02 AM
Haha April asking you how you sleep at night ROFL

LaserGuidedBunnyRabbit
10-16-2006, 09:14 AM
Haha April asking you how you sleep at night ROFL
She's always good for a laugh.

April, lemon laws do not apply to private party sales. Especially when the bill of sale said "As-Is".

2GTalonTSI
10-16-2006, 09:54 AM
This just makes me glad to get it out of my shop lol. Sorry I couldn't do more for you... stupid MR2s :)


The first time you felt the turbo spool and it set you in your seat will always be in the back of your mind,
-Bryan
FlyinHigh842@msn.com


Not to get off topic here but I remember the very first time I drove my 92 TSI and the turbo spooled. LMAO!!! AWD baby!!!

Greycobra_03
10-16-2006, 10:03 AM
Hehe

MustangGirl
10-16-2006, 02:53 PM
Adrian....again....bite me (_I_) :P

I could have sworn lemon laws applied to anyone but I'm probably wrong...oh well

Greycobra_03
10-16-2006, 08:18 PM
If there is a cheap shot to be had, I can be counted on to take it.

MustangGirl
10-16-2006, 09:36 PM
Yea, you are cheap aren't ya ;)