FWD heads up points series for friday nights. Any interest?

[a1320honda]

So ive been talking to a couple people, and getting alot of interest in the idea.

So basicly what im proposing is a heads up, run what ya brung points series for every friday night that the track is open. What we'de be looking it as a $20 buy in every friday night. We'll have like a dry-erase board with a ladder on it. We'de have someone keep track of the point and start a bank account that the money would go into. Points would be based on car counts. So if 6 cars paid and entered, who ever won the finals would get 6 points, runner up would get 5 and so on. The points stay with the driver, not the car, so if one of us were to blow up, you can use a street car or whatever was needed to come out and try to keep getting points. At the end of the year all the money would be awarded to say the top 5 guys in the points. Basic rules would be based on NSCRA SFWD rules (except weight cause we have no way to monitor that). We could also set it up that nightly there would be a pay out to the winner and from half the entry money, and the other half would go towards the championship fund. Id like to talk to someone at the track and set it up so we might have out own lane, and run through every 45 minutes or so. And would also like to see if they can set us up on a Pro .500 tree. this is what ive got so far, just tryin to see if anyone else is interested since it seems like theres gonna be a strong turbo FWD car count next season. Im open to suggestions or discussion.

[BoostedAWD]

that would be awesome just the idea of having something to work twords is cool.I mean as of now there are alot of people building fast cars but without something like that ur really not working twords anything besides just racing week after week hoping it doesnt break.Just my opinion it would be cool to know all the money u spend u have a chance at the end of the year to make some of it back and it would also give you somethin to keep track of.It would just be more interesting and should be fun with all the fast cars comin out

[a1320honda]

Theres alot of little reason why i think it would be pretty cool and work.

1st:
Alot of us fast honda guys dont like to go out and race on saturdays or sundays cause the staff and alot of fellow racers treat us like dog poo.

2nd:
the guys that would be racing in this are always present on friday nights to begin with, so its not like your gonna be missing 2 or 3 or 4 guys cause their out at the lake saturday.

3rd:
Not that attendance was an issue later in the year, but i think people would actualy want to show up if we can get a good consistent car count, and get some rivalries goin on.

4th:
The SFWD class is the hottest sport compact drag racing class that has happened in a long time, its taking over all over the country, and there is one set of general rules that everyone can foll, so cars from Seattle, Idaho, Montana, Tri-Cities, etc. can come over and run.

I dont know, im just tired of goin out and feelin like im doin exhibition passes. I wanna actualy do some racing against FWD cars in a heads up format, not bracket.

[JLHDOHC]

Great Idea I'd Love to do it be better than just beatin your car up for nothing ya know shit I like it Sounds Sweet

[Thumpn]

That's a good plan but you are looking at a heads up racing you are going to only have a hand full of fwd cars willing to go heads up. Couple of sudjestions for you would be, a index time that a car can't go faster than( example , can't run faster than 11 sec flat).

Another sudjestion for heads up racing is open to rwd cars as well but restrict motor size to 6 cly and smaller, that would keep the v8 guys out of the picture.

I was out at the track almost every weekend and listen to ideas all year and opening up the rules alittle would bring in alot more to the class.

[JLHDOHC]

That's a good plan but you are looking at a heads up racing you are going to only have a hand full of fwd cars willing to go heads up. Couple of sudjestions for you would be, a index time that a car can't go faster than( example , can't run faster than 11 sec flat).

Another sudjestion for heads up racing is open to rwd cars as well but restrict motor size to 6 cly and smaller, that would keep the v8 guys out of the picture.

I was out at the track almost every weekend and listen to ideas all year and opening up the rules alittle would bring in alot more to the class.

yeah thats a good idea to man :righton:

[a1320honda]

Well the problem with that is is the class is based off the NSCRA SO4 class rules that only allow FWD and 4 cylinders. I dont expect this thing to take off like a rocket ship in the first year, but maybe the year after next, who knows. And ive been in personal contact with 6 guys that can run weekly for sure and once word spreads there should be another 6+ cars out of the Tri-Cities. Ive been thinkin about doin like a 11.59 and quicker class and then an 11.50 and slower. but i think if we can get the car count good enough, the guys that are high 11's will do what it takes and make the changes necessary to step up up into the 11.49 and quicker class thus, just increasing the car count. it doesnt have to get real huge or be a big thing this first year, just something to give the fans to watch, and give us fast FWD guys some real racing. I know most of us dont wanna line up agains RWD or V8 cars, we'd much rather race cars from our own class and actualy compete against each other.

[Thumpn]

It was just a sudjestion to get more cars ,I just feel you are going to limit yourself by staying with those rules for cars. Just like the sport compact class for braket racing did. And they at most had 5 cars per race. And if they opened the rules just alittle they would have gotten 5x's the car count.

[a1320honda]

The sport compact class didnt go anywhere cause no one knew about it. well into august i asked a bunch of guys if they had thought about running that and no one had even heard of it. Plus the entry fee to get into that was just too much on a race by race basis. I think you had to pay your regular entry fee plus another $40 for the sport compact series on top of that. I think Reid could chime in here and clarify. But it was also during the day on sunday and eveyone that would be in this class was always busy. i do understand what your sayin, but then to include those cars, a completely new set of rules has to be designated, and without goin into bracket racing or index classes you have to come up with a way to make it fair. And all the guys ive talk to and including myself are 100% against brackets or index. We just want a simple ,straight, heads up class or venue to run in. And since these are all the guys that were there every friday night, we all now everyones gonn abe able to make the event lol. NSCRA has rules for a sport compact outlaw class, but then all the guys ive been talking to would have to change stuff in their setups to allow them to run with RWD and AWD cars of the 4cyl and 6cyl range. Its just thats when it gets complicated and all the basic FWD guys dont wanna race.

[BoostedRex]

Its a good idea to get something like this goin at our track, but the prob is as far as FWD cars there aint many runnin an competable times... only 4 to be exact that run true 10s... thats 3 cars produced by RTI mine, pauls, jareds ... and then there is yers an thats it... nobody is gonna wanna race any of us heads up and get slayed and waste there money every week... im thinking if there was more of a braket style racing it would be more successful because the facts r spokane aint known for producing fast FWD cars like i said there is only 4 10 sec cars in this city not to sound cocky but thats the facts ppl would have to travel from seattle, portland etc. for any type of field or compition, then another thing is is that the purse would have to be worth the travel ya kno? but anyways its a good idea im not knockin it at all but as far as only FWD class it prob wont work out unless its a bracket style of racing.

[Thumpn]

If you get 1 car that blows everyone away in a low 10sec car and no one can even come close to it then your idea won't last a month cause everyone will not want to race aganst him again, cause that car will win every race

[a1320honda]

Well ive talked to Josh Hastings and his car is gonna be completely revamped, so i have no doubts he'll be in the 10's next year, Rick is working a decent 500+hp setup and hes wanting to run 10's next year, If Steve-O pulls his head out, he should have a decent car next year. Jesse Tilton was close to running 10's. And im sure you could get Dave Kreiger to build a VW or 2 that would come out. Theres no reason that once its established we can have a 6-10 car feild on a weekly basis. The other issue is that on a friday night, unless your Justin Cooper or one of the good 'ol boys, they wont set up a bracket event for us on friday nights, which means payin more money to go out and race on a saturday against the normal bracket cars. Plus talkin to Reid Lundy at kaizen, he can let the guys know in the tri-cities that were doin this, i know there a more than a hand full of cars down there that can compete. Like i said, this isnt gonna be organized through the track itself, this is something for us by us, kind of thing. idk, im against bracket or index racing. we can do that any saturady. Just want something for just us FWD cars, and im sure once this came about, i know 1 or 2 guys that would build FWD DSm"s, and this would also include SRT-4's, so its not like its just a Honda thing.

[BoostedRex]

Yea i never had any doubts about jesse, he is one of my best friends he slammed down a damn good 11.3 might even have pulled a 11.1 i dont remember but that was on low boost with only 22s. There is nobout that he will have a 10 second car nxt season. Plus ive already talked to Josh also were gonna help him with his car this time around... there should be no reason why he aint successful as well. O yea and yeng ran a damn good time, but he moved away so we prob wont see much from him at our track unless he moves back... but i kno there is a bunch of guys that r gonna run tens next yer thats what everyone says every year but like i said right now there aint many ppl runnin em now... so i guess well just have to wait till nxt year to see what kind of field we will even have to work with... im all for trying to make this thing work because it really dose suck goin out every friday and thrashing yer car for nothin.

[JLHDOHC]

Well I think we have something going.. I agree with steve tri-cite's and seattle get wind shits on.. Now if the damn track would pull its head out.. Im tired of seeing everybody have such hard work into their setups and all they get to run in is friday nights for what enjoyment well I see a lot of potential this year in all of us we all know this town is full of gear heads we just need some steady race area thats willing to back things up and come through.......

[BlackMagic]

The sport compact class last year was a total bust for several reasons.

1. The price was too high...on any day
2. Sunday was chosen because I didnt expect Jay to completely fuck up the Friday night program and it was crazy trying to organize anything with 400+ cars running on fridays.
3. I didnt want to be responsible for ALL of the marketing for a program that no one really cared about.

Steve, I think this is a great idea. I would like to help..I have been in contact with track officials since Jay left and I think that we could present a case. We would need to run the class seperate and keep track of everything ourselves. I expect the FNSR entry to be less next season so a $20.00 buy in won't be out of reach.

Lets talk.

[2bad]

just saying.. there would probably only be a select few cars that can compete.. rick's, steve's, jarod's, paul's, and a few others i'd guess

[a1320honda]

Somthing to remember is, this is based on points over over like 16 weeks. If you showed up every week and ran 15's, your gonna get points. So while you may not win every week, by showing up every event and getting points, you might be placing higher up in the overall finish. So you don't need a 10 secong car to with the overall, iots gonna be the most consistent car.

[ntrcptr90]

Why not see about doing a wed or thurs. night deal.

[Crazy_si_T]

i think its a good idea, us 4 bangers got every right to make a name for ourselves without have the v8 guys come around and bang on us. i think if we did it like on saturday or sunday would be the best.
was getting a little worried about the whole time thing but if its based on points anyone could win. hopefully steve and i can get my car done by then, i know it wont be no ten second car but sure will be faster than last year :) but overall heads up racing i think would be the best. run what ya brung, what if we could set up the tree so the lights fall at different time so we cross we're side by side.

[a1320honda]

What your talking about Brian is bracket racing. That's what were staying away from. There is a saturday program so there is that option for you guys to go do that.

[Northwest outlaw]

What kind of payout?
Do you have a list of rules that some one can look at?
Are you thinking about running at dif tracks?
I know a few tunners that are over in MT that are looking for some thing i can pass the word.

[SRT Brian]

You have some good Ideas! On a side now how about us RWD guys? should I start up a new thread and see if we can get something like this for RWD guys?

[Northwest outlaw]

I would say yes keep this post on track.

[BlackMagic]

Steve, NSCRA rules push me out. Are these the rules that you will follow? If so thats cool, I wont mind picking on the V8 guys anyway.

Even if I cant race my car, I would be willing to help organize and track points, payouts, etc.

[Crazy_si_T]

how would we determine how many points each person gets. is it just who can run the more consistant times?

[BlackMagic]

Generally you would receive a certain number of points for showing up, each round of eliminations, placing in the top 3, and then bonus' for track records.

[a1320honda]

Well, points would be based on car counts. so lets say 12 cars show up, who ever wins the night will get 12 points and last place would get 1 point. Id definatly be down for helping organizing one for the RWD guys too. as long as rules are followed. I know how to tech the cars for FWD. Or we could even do an open class thats open to any cars. And im not gonna be biased, if i have to park my car for the year or not race in any classes to help this get goin, i would gladly do it. Payouts are gonna something thats also gonna be based on car counts through out the year and nightly. I was talkin to a couple guys who would like to have a nightly payout. So i think you pay $20 to race for the night, $10 would go into the overall points fund, and $10 would go into the nightly payout.

I would definalty post something up for the RWD/AWD guys.

I know theres alot of different ways to setup points, i just figure going according to car count would make it simple. Thats all im tryin to do is keep this simple so everyone can understand it and not get discouraged because of complexity.

[a1320honda]

Im talking with Reid and gonna try to attend the Pro Gas Meeting to get the ball rolling on this. Im just tryin to keep things simple and easy to understand. I think keeping it organized amongst ourselves is a better idea then letting the track staff try and handle it. Something else id really like to hear poeple opinions about is trying to get the track to set us up on the Pro .500 tree for our eliminations.

[Northwest outlaw]

Well i think if it is some thing you want to do you need sit down with a pannel of racers and make some rules up for the FWD and RWD cars im all down to run i just will never run bracket so dont ask :) im heads up or grudge thats where i play if you need some input for the rwd stuff hit me up.

[a1320honda]

Heres the NSCRA rules for FWD cars
Everything should adhere pretty well here except payout and weight restrictions since we dont have scales.

FRONT WHEEL STREET OUTLAW 4CYLINDER
CLASS CODE (SO4)

Heads-up racing, Pro-tree (.400) class for FWD Unibody chassis vehicles with functional doors. Any FWD 4-cylinder entries allowed. No restriction on power adder type or combination thereof.

Two qualifying passes permitted.

Payouts*:
Winner - $100
Runner Up - $50
Semi 1 - $25
Semi 2 - $25

*Payouts based on entries.
1-3 cars: Entries will be refunded and cars will race for trophy only.
4-7 cars: Full payout for winner and runner-up only.
8-16 cars: Full payout.

Body:
Import or domestic compact car bodies allowed. Lexan windows prohibited. Lightweight components limited to hood, front fenders, and decklid/hatch.

Interior:
Doors must open and close from inside and outside the vehicle. Door panels, dash, and carpet from firewall to behind driver's seat must remain stock appearing. No center drive configurations.

Chassis and Suspension:
Full tube chassis prohibited. Back-half chassis prohibited. No center drive systems. Suspension must remain in stock location mounting points. No wheelie bars

Engine:
Any OEM 4-cylinder. Engine must be of automotive import origin or offered as OE in compact cars sold in North America. No Air-cooled engines allowed. Motor swaps allowed as long as they stay within the same manufacturer. Honda/Acura swaps OK.

Power Adders:
Turbochargers, superchargers and nitrous oxide systems are permitted in any combination.

Drivetrain and Transmission:
Any OE transmission or gearbox in OEM case allowed. Transmission must be of same manufacturer as vehicle. Aftermarket transmissions or gearboxes prohibited. All transbrakes are prohibited.

Safety:
All vehicles and drivers must comply with NHRA/NSCRA safety rules and regulations. Chassis certification and driver licensing must be completed prior to event.

NSCRA rules are subject to change based on the National Sport Compact Racing Association's commitment and dedication to competitive racing for every enthusiast.

TIRES
Slicks or D.O.T. approved tires allowed.
(26x10.5 maximum)

TURBO SIZE
74mm maximum

[MrVtec11]

This idea sounds really good!!! I understand the opinions of not wanting to run any index or bracket, one thing i can see a problem with is 30 cars signing up and 20 runnin 15's could discourage a lot of people.... and running 2 index classes could, like u said steve, make it a little complex for some... Deff. a very good idea, just gotta get a bunch of us together and work out a few details.

But I do think that with this getting going it could attract attention from surrounding areas and help get the track numbers up.

Oh and SFWD guys, the 74mm turbos now allowed... Oh Geez there goes the neighborhood!!! ;)

[Northwest outlaw]

With all the rule sounds like a street car class but why the turbo size rule?

[a1320honda]

They are technicly "street cars". The rule was a 72mm turbo, but guys were maxxing those out and felt it was hold the class back so the moved to the 74mm. The do have a "True Street" class that is restricted to a 67mm turbo. i dont think this class for us will cause problems with someone wanting to run bigger than a 74mm turbo lol. At least i hope not. I nervous running a 72mm lol.

[sr240]

boostedrex... go back to kindergarden and learn how to spell and use punctuation... other than that im good with whatever.

[the rod]

I think its an innovative idea. It gives us car guys something else to look forward to and adds a good competitive edge. It will give more people more of an incentive to building there car up even more to go faster. We will have to work out the details a little more but if everyone comes together on this idea I think it will be alotta fun.

[BoostedRex]

boostedrex... go back to kindergarden and learn how to spell and use punctuation... other than that im good with whatever.

haha thats funny pussy u had every chance in the world to say somethin like that to me at that track but like a true bitch... u said nothin all u could do is look at the ground lol :) but i aint gettin into this internet shit talkin game again ill just let the cars do the the talkin o yea congrats on yer 11.75 thats a pretty amazing time i think i ran faster taking out the 330ft marker lol

[the rod]

whats up mr. sr240 your pretty dam cocky for only having a time of 11.75. you need to back up off my bro. why dont you do your talkin on the track. until you run with the best you havent earned the right to have an attitude about this car stuff. Or maybe you and matt should just throw down because your just not fast enough dude.

[Northwest outlaw]

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[black69camaro]

haha I love it when the shit talking starts!!

[SRT Brian]

O yeah Shit talking on the Internet is the best!!!! Its like winning the Special Olympics, even if you win your still retarded!

[sr240]

i dont care about the times i ran or his.. he was just writing huge sentences with with weird writing i had to go back and read it twice to understand it.. thats all im saying. and btw.. i didnt want my car any faster.. it was a daily driver with a 220k mile stock motor. not every one cares to have the fastest car in town. so stop freaking out thinking you are so cool beacause your sweet crx went 10s..

[the rod]

Do you have that bad of a problem with my brother matt? for what reason?Im telling you what, your lucky that you still have a face. Instead of this computer bashing why dont you guys just meet up and settle it. matt loves to fight and you seem to try piss him off all the time.Or why dont you guys just get along and let people speak there opinions about the cars. Running 10s is a big deal for any one and trust me you would have love to run 10s to.

[sr240]

dude i dont even know who you or matt is.. you guys get so mad so easy.. about what a comment about some spelling... lol

[ntrcptr90]

My dad can beat up your dad, why don't u guys chill out and go wash the sand out of your clams.

[a1320honda]

I think most of you guys are missing the point, this isnt always gonna be about who comes out and runs 10's. It is a nice acomplishment, but its not the holy grail everyone thinks it is. So not to be a dick to anyone, but you guys all need to get that shit outta your heads. Id bet money that if i brought my 96 bone stock civic out and raced every week, id be one of the top cars in points at the end of the year.

Matt, im not sure your talking to the person (sr240) that you think you are. He doesnt know you but you make it seem like you guys have talked at the track. Ryans car was very nice for what it was, and i have no problem sayin in all confidence that it was the cleanest Honda around. All you guys are worried about is him not running 10's. Thats not was his car was built for at all. It was a 220k mile stock LS bottom end we tuned on 12psi. So given that its a full interiored stock motor street car, 11.7@121 isnt bad. Like i said, its not always about who has the fastest cars.

Once again, not tryin to start a fight or get mixed up in drama. Were all here for the same reason, and theres nothing wrong with a little trash talking, but theres no need to instantly start talking about meeting up and physicly fighting. Sorry, but its time to grow up.

From here on out, any posts off topic will be deleted. If you guys have something to say, please take it to PM's or pm me.

[Thumpn]

What needs to be done is not to use a set of rules that is usable in a part the country where people have money to build thier cars to do what is in the rules. But what we need is a group of racers sit down some where and make and vote on thier own set of rules for only spokane or track that the group races at for the night. That is what the pro gas and super gas groups did. for example the super gas guys set an index of 9.05 on a sportsman heads up tree for a rule, if they went faster than that then they broke out and were eliminated

[a1320honda]

What needs to be done is not to use a set of rules that is usable in a part the country where people have money to build thier cars to do what is in the rules. But what we need is a group of racers sit down some where and make and vote on thier own set of rules for only spokane or track that the group races at for the night. That is what the pro gas and super gas groups did. for example the super gas guys set an index of 9.05 on a sportsman heads up tree for a rule, if they went faster than that then they broke out and were eliminated

The issue with that is, if we build our cars to a set of rules that we design, and then wanna go race at a real event with different rules that might mean that we have to modify or change our cars. I know personly im gonna try to make the BOTI event next year as well as the outlaw shootout in Utah, all of which go by this standard set of rules. as far as the index goes, once again, the point of this whole series is to give us some competition for each other on Friday nights. I can gaurantee the track staff will not be willing to set everything up on the clocks for us to run brackets or index. I doubt they will even go so far as setting the tree up for a pro .500 tree. So it has to be something that remains simple and easy to understand fr a friday night crowd.

[BlackMagic]

My car doesnt run 10's, but I bet I have spent more money on it than any of you. Ha take that!

[Thumpn]

I didnt mean just throw out the existing rules just modify them for the local track. i mean lets think about this, how many of the friday night racers freaked about the NHRA rules and when it came down to it on friday night racing the same basic rules were the ones used like always they were just enforced a little more. if you start this heads up racing people arnt gonna want to read the rules unless they are simple to understand.

also you are not going to be able to get the racers from out of town to be there as much as you think cause it will be too costly. so what you are going to end up with is a hand full of guys for Spok/CDA area that will lead the points for the whole season, which leaves the out of town guys not wanting to race cause they cant make up points with the leaders. And that is why I recomended opening up the rules to rwd ( non V8's) and 6 cyl cars. Admit one thing , how many V6 Rwd cars show at the track that run faster than 13's? and I said nothing about alowing AWD cars ( i used to own one and I agree that they have an unfair advantage when it comes to a launch.

[Thumpn]

I can gaurantee the track staff will not be willing to set everything up on the clocks for us to run brackets or index. I doubt they will even go so far as setting the tree up for a pro .500 tree. So it has to be something that remains simple and easy to understand fr a friday night crowd.

I beg to differ, they will if you have it pre arranged. they did it umerous times for other groups. it is easier than you think to do.

[the rod]

no Ive got the point steve. I joined this site to meet cool people that are into cars, not fuckin smart asses that like to run there mouth. Im sticken up for my brother, Im not gonna sit back and let people talk trash.I want to talk cars, motors and speed. Ive met trash talker sr240 last summer and he seemed pretty cool but he needs to back off my brother. so lets squash the bull shit and get along.

[lostkuase]

alright my turn:
1st- i love the idea! im not fast yet.. however hopes and dreams eventually come to life.

2nd. love the idea for 2 purposes, i believe this will encourage more people to want to be apart of something fun, instead of risking alot for nothing, as well as encouragment on becoming faster, with being emersed in a crowd that already has more experience and can share the knowledge.

3rd. it doesnt limit the last guy, as steve states any person can win, based off consistancy and attendance. Just showing up and running a stock car can give you 1 pnt! However imagine that the guy that just shows up, starts wanting to be faster and make more points? The human mind has the ability to see, hear and interpret and based off someones will to do better, the possibilitys are endless.


cash payouts should be nightly with a percentage going into the account set aside for at the end of the year. This will cause 2 different types of competition! A weekly competition for the cash prize at the end of the night, as well as the pool set aside for the points leader at the end of the year!

looking forward to attending~
austin

[rrussell]

Steve sounds like a good deal let me know if I can help.

[Crazy_si_T]

this is all sounding like a good idea. but with consistancy its going to take me a while with whats to come on my setup. but more than willing to help out with it.

[BlackMagic]

no Ive got the point steve. I joined this site to meet cool people that are into cars, not fuckin smart asses that like to run there mouth. Im sticken up for my brother, Im not gonna sit back and let people talk trash.I want to talk cars, motors and speed. Ive met trash talker sr240 last summer and he seemed pretty cool but he needs to back off my brother. so lets squash the bull shit and get along.

STFU. You came here and jumped onto the shit talking bandwagon. BoostedCervix has a history here and last time around he was a fukin douche.

Who jumps on the internet and starts trying to fight people anyway? Put on you big girl panties and move on.

[sweetcivic2005]

Yo steve I'm down to do the Dan thing too! Ill be bringin my 42r eg6 out, and my 42r k20 type r!! Let's hit 9's this year 10's r last years news lol!! Hopefully we will get traction haha! I'm gonna wanna run my 700+ hp evo too and my gtr so we should allow Awd cars too :)!! Let's get shit dialed in this year and sr20 is a good dude and Atleast he drove a dc2 then an Ef haha.. Steve I'm workin in finding that clutch!

[a1320honda]

Steve I'm workin in finding that clutch!

Your my savior man. I appreciate it alot bro!

[lostkuase]

hey sweetcivic y on gods earth take a dc2 over an ef for racing????? please explain for my small brain... remember that this is an ef your talking about, lighter, and all the autox peeps prefer them for handling capabilities, and the swaps are usually limited due to cable setups, and electrical issues however with a high iq this is just one small hurdle.

As i recal the one your talking about ran like a 10.8 on the worst clutch ive ever seen. im willing to bet if you go back and watch that crx's video and watch half track how fast he clears, i bet youll realize that it is much faster than 10.8 and is much faster than the fastest right now.
i have alot of respect for people who dont act like 5 year olds.

As a CAR ENTHUSIAST i believe everything has its potential, when it comes to racing its not about how it looks, its about the timeslip, consistancy, longevity, cost, skill, innovation. Yeah its cool to worry about how the car looks i guess, but ill let you in on a secret my whole build is based off of one rule (function over form).

lets all agree to quit making tidbit comments about others there is only one title for this topic and i dont see "lets bash someone" as it.

[sweetcivic2005]

Why would i choose a ef over a dc2? Who in the WORLD would want an ef over a type r. I can speak from experience since Ive had 9 EFS! Speed? I would take my eg6 over a ef for racing any day! Why dont we ask Steve what he would choose? And who would want an ef for auto x! Have you ever been to a big auto x event? I cant even remember the last time i saw an ef doing that shit Big events have higher end cars with suspension worth more than peoples cars!! And i can speak from experience since my evo WAS First in the Redline Time Attack series and SPONSERD by Full Race, AMS, And Robi Spec, builders of the fastest cars in the WORLD and they focus on EVERYTHING not just a time slip, not to mention my evo has taken home tons of auto x trophys and its got over 700 horse. Look outside of Spokane if your a car Enthusiast, And if your a real car guy, then you would know theirs a lot more than a time slip, some people would rather have a hp number. I now tons of people who drop 50k into cars just for a hp number! And nobody was bashing anyone i was stating that Ryan is a homie and i got his back! WE all just need to get along!

[a1320honda]

hey sweetcivic y on gods earth take a dc2 over an ef for racing????? please explain for my small brain... remember that this is an ef your talking about, lighter, and all the autox peeps prefer them for handling capabilities, and the swaps are usually limited due to cable setups, and electrical issues however with a high iq this is just one small hurdle.

As i recal the one your talking about ran like a 10.8 on the worst clutch ive ever seen. im willing to bet if you go back and watch that crx's video and watch half track how fast he clears, i bet youll realize that it is much faster than 10.8 and is much faster than the fastest right now.
i have alot of respect for people who dont act like 5 year olds.

As a CAR ENTHUSIAST i believe everything has its potential, when it comes to racing its not about how it looks, its about the timeslip, consistancy, longevity, cost, skill, innovation. Yeah its cool to worry about how the car looks i guess, but ill let you in on a secret my whole build is based off of one rule (function over form).

lets all agree to quit making tidbit comments about others there is only one title for this topic and i dont see "lets bash someone" as it.

Im not tryin to be a dick here, but pretty much everything you said was wrong. When theres a weigh limit in the class, it doesnt really mean any one chassis is better than the other. Have you ever turbo'd and maintained an EF? PAIN IN THE ASS! And EF's have the shortest wheel bases of all the cars. Short wheel bases mean twitchy and squirly in the big end.

Here, this is Tony Palo's Phone number: 214-607-9022. Ask him why he didnt use and EF for his 8.80 SFWD (Sport Front Wheel Drive)car. Im pretty sure your conversation wont last long.

This is Chris Millers #: 631-243-6674, Ask him the same question.

And honestly if you look around the pits at any Big SFWD event, your not gonna see any....ANY EF's. they actualy make pretty poor cars for drag racing. And im in no way sayin Matt and Paul have built poor cars. I respect both of them for sticking with the CRX chassis. Since your also good friends with Jarod, ask him if he'll swap his EG for an EF. The truth is, the EG, EK, and DC chassis are the most competent, and spacious chassis to work with. Ive had my hand in every kind of car, and unless the customer wants to pay a little extra, i dont even like to work on them.

And on another note, Theres nothing wrong with poking a little bit at a competitor in a friendly way. Sam wasnt tryin to start a fight or cause problems and you got way too carried away with a little poke at fun.

Right before the Outlaw Shootout finals in Florida, there was soooo much hype and shit talking from people that were rooting for either Miller or Palo, and you dont hear those guys letting the hype get to them and tryin to fight.

Heres a VID of those 2 guys the day before the race. TAKE NOTES FELLAS!!!!
http://www.grs-motorsports.com/noticias/foro/videos/usa/nscra2009/1.wmv

[the rod]

ive gotta say austin steve has a good point about the differences in cars which I might add that your car being an ej is much easier to handle than an ef body which can get a little outta hand when you add some horse power wether your going in a strait line or doing time attack. Id never trade my eh for an ef ever. Your on the right track by building your ej mr.austin. By the way, Id also love to have that evo that sammie owns, Id rip the streets up with that car.

[Northwest outlaw]

Well back to the post and thing in the works?

[sfwd_si]

this sounds like a great idea.. i just moved up here from houston..im looking foward to this year..

[a1320honda]

this sounds like a great idea.. i just moved up here from houston..im looking foward to this year..

I demand to see pics of your car lol! Welcome to the site. Good to know we'll have another car in the mix. If you need any help or anything, PM me.

[Dr.Gnzo]

well sounds like there might be some fast coupes this year

[a1320honda]

Coupes.....Cars in general lol. I counted the possibilty of have 10-13 10 second hondas run next year. Thats insane for our area.

[Dr.Gnzo]

I was saying cause of post above yours but yes Im sure there will be plenty of fast cars
includeing your sweet ride;)

[BlackMagic]

Steve,

I talked with some people and it sounds like the county is accepting bids now for a new county operator. At this point we are still waiting to find out what will happen and who will be in charge. That will determine whether there is even going to be a chance to make this happen.

Ill let you know if I hear anything.

[a1320honda]

Steve,

I talked with some people and it sounds like the county is accepting bids now for a new county operator. At this point we are still waiting to find out what will happen and who will be in charge. That will determine whether there is even going to be a chance to make this happen.

Ill let you know if I hear anything.

Sweet Yo....keep me updated cause I've hat a lot of calls and texts and there's a lot of interest in this class right now. I think every 2 weeks we could field almost 20 cars. It would be pretty intense.

[37rcivic]

steve

would there be a way to post the points every week the results so we all could watch and see where we stand and how big the purse is getting? I was also wondering who holds on to the money for the end of the purse? I think this will be fun and something to look forward to out at the track!!! I think who ever is interested should meet and have a get together and put all are heads to gether and make it happen!!

[lostkuase]

i guess you guys are right, more weight and longer wheel base etc is so crucial to having it stay straight down the track (id just worry about the steering wheel myself) maybe it might actually have something to do with aerodynamics and drag coefficency. oh and as for the weight of my car, decided to lighten it as much as possible. Im not going to be building MY car to fit into 1 persons predetermined rules. So i set 2000 lbs as my goal. That way since i have built it to my liking i stay TO MY LIKING. I built a car for myself. So i want to be able to run it/show it, with it the way i want. I say you make an open class bring em the way you want em (with saftey 1st of course), that way your not limiting, so that way you protect your self from stuff being said about the weight limit being built around what your personal car weighs, you have the same ability as me to strengthen as well as lighten your car, why limit innovation. Oh... and id choose an ef as in just its street form it already conforms to your weight limit. You guys are right they do get squirly. Ive seen it. Must take one hell of a driver to control it! But of course thats usually with pretty intense builds. The type that they still run in the 10s even after letting off gas to correct when it got squirly, while clutch was slippin, and losing like half a second. I wouldnt doubt it that we might see 9's this year and probably not from just 1 person maybe 3!

Here ya go, heres my opinion now after months of thought on the situation steve... Run what ya brung, no limit on weight/w saftey restrictions based off et. Otherwise its like saying hey look im trying to eliminate efs from competing or something.... you wouldnt want that right?. i mean you said it yourself they are no good? so why not let em run?

Its almost like when a band of b series guys got together and voted no to h2b setups in pro am. I mean its not like having h2b would up the competition on the b series as the only real drawback to an h series is its tranny right? I thought it would be making it fair. Its making everyone use the same tranny, with their choice of motor pretty much.

Well hope all goes well for you. Heard reid is making a street car, should be pretty sick!


good luck this season to all! be safe!

[lostkuase]

Also in all fairness, why is it i heard that steve wants to check over everyones car for this class? why not just leave that to the professionals steve? Were you applying for that to look through my car, or someone elses in particular? I have many unanswered questions. Please answer them.

1.) why a weight limit?
2.) doesnt your car weigh exactly at the limit with you in it after u take a shit?
3.) Why do you think you have the Know how to check over and saftey inspect everyones cars?
4.) I like your idea and you know this.


steve dont take offense to this, as im just giving you a taste of the "thunder before the storm". These arnt just questions i have, they are questions from others as well.

I vote: run what ya brung, saftey restrictions based off e.t. Almost as if we made a "friday night" no trailering class. :) isnt that more of what a sfwd class would be, its not like we are sponsored here, so why restrict it.


have a great day!:)

[BlackMagic]

Also in all fairness, why is it i heard that steve wants to check over everyones car for this class? why not just leave that to the professionals steve? Were you applying for that to look through my car, or someone elses in particular? I have many unanswered questions. Please answer them.

1.) why a weight limit?
2.) doesnt your car weigh exactly at the limit with you in it after u take a shit?
3.) Why do you think you have the Know how to check over and saftey inspect everyones cars?
4.) I like your idea and you know this.


steve dont take offense to this, as im just giving you a taste of the "thunder before the storm". These arnt just questions i have, they are questions from others as well.

I vote: run what ya brung, saftey restrictions based off e.t. Almost as if we made a "friday night" no trailering class. :) isnt that more of what a sfwd class would be, its not like we are sponsored here, so why restrict it.


have a great day!:)

Did you attend the meeting last month? This would have been a perfect time to voice your opinion. I won't speak for Steve, but I am pretty sure I can answer your questions. Also, take a look at the sticky "Spokane Sport Compact Association" on this page. It will have more answers.

1. Weight limit - This is not some number that we came up with. The weight limits are taken directly from the NSCRA Outlaw Street Rules. These weight limits are created for safety and equality between the racers. This class will prepare racers to be legal if they choose to go to national NSCRA event anywhere else in the county. If you want to build YOUR car YOUR way with a weight that does not meet the requirements of the class...thats up to you, but you will not be allowed to compete with the points series.

2.) doesnt your car weigh exactly at the limit with you in it after u take a shit? - Again, I dont want to answer for Steve, but his car was built to conform to the NSCRA rules...so yes, im sure it does meet that weight requirement.

3.) Why do you think you have the now how to check over and saftey inspect everyones cars? - Steve will not be the only person checking cars. Volunteer members (including myself) will all be involved in the second tech. This tech is used to maintain the integrity of the class. Each car will be inspected to insure that it meets the rules set for forth by the NSCRA and the SSCA. To be honest...no one gives a shit what you have in your car.

4.) I like your idea and you know this. - Then STFU and come race.

[ReV-iT-Up]

i got a fuckin headache..

[a1320honda]

Wow....really? At this point, im speachless. Austin...all your doing is trying to cause more drama between myself and 3 other people that you feel it necesary to try to swing from their nuts. Ive been a pretty nice guy about all this crap and havent said a word to anyone. But you guys are really pushin it.

I have no desire to look under anyones hoods to see what their running...know why? CAUSE I DONT GIVE A FLYIN FUCK!!!!! If you guys wanna go gut the living fuck outta your cars to try and run 9's then go ahead. The rules that were listed on here are here for a reason....they work. The whole point of why i made this class was to 1) put on a show for people that are interested in watching some real racing. 2) allow everyone to build their cars to the same rules they use for the primary racing functions all over the U.S. so any one of can take a car to an event and be legal to race. And bottom line, if you dont agree with the rules that were voted on by many people, dont race in the class. Its as simple as that. No one is gonne go out and beg the certain couple people your refering to, to race in the class. Plenty of people are intested. Now...for the sake of the sport and sportsmanship, if you guys wanna grow up and build cars to very basic set of rules that hundreds of people all over the U.S. use, then do so and come have some fun.....

But just so were clear on all this bullshit.....I DONT FUCKING CARE WHAT ANYONE ELSE IS RUNNING!. Its as simple as that. I have no desire to spy on people to see what their running. You guys need to lay off watching "The Fast and the Furious". You guys are taking this shit waaaaaaaaay to seriously. From now on please keep the drama off this thread. Have drama issues, call me and we'll handle it like men, not skank ass girls. 509-496-8108.

[ReV-iT-Up]

steve

I was also wondering who holds on to the money

[steve] Austin, you hold the money

[37rcivic] Why Austin?

[steve] Cuz he's too slow to make away with the money man Oooooooooo